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    AnthonyJody Serrano
    11/20/21 10:37pm

    Apple tells employees Apple will stop breaking the law.

    “Pay secrecy” policies have been explicitly illegal in California since 2015. and also under the National Labor Relations Act.

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      torchbearer2Anthony
      11/21/21 12:02am

      Yeah, I had a boss who tried to lean on employees to not discuss their pay with one another. He tried to push back when the law was literally shown to him for the state. Shockingly, wasn’t his first labor law violation nor was it his last.

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      magus-21Anthony
      11/21/21 1:14am

      Where did Apple say they were banned from talking about their pay before now?

      Anyway, I’ve found that it’s the employees who keep their salaries secret from each other AND who choose not to ask, because it’s perceived as “impolite.”

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    FieryrebirthJody Serrano
    11/20/21 11:26pm

    It’s not illegal or even ‘wrong’ to discuss payment with co-workers or even bosses, even though it can be seen as awkward. Corporate has successfully conditioned the average worker that this is “bad” and thus allowed them more control on how much you make, let alone need. What a surprise! So much poor pay inequity and bias! Financial ignorance and illiteracy benefits them after all.

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    50DrunksInABarJody Serrano
    11/21/21 9:23am

    I always try and bring it up with coworkers but so many people are cagey about it. For the most part, I can make an argument for why some people are paid more than me or why I’d be paid more than them. There’s always a couple people that you go ‘If that motherfucker is making more than me, I swear to god.’ But unless you know that for a fact, there’s not much you can do about it. If you KNOW that Dumb Kevin is making more than you, you have a legitimate argument to go to the boss and say ‘I deserve more.’

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      Tebow Kneeled First50DrunksInABar
      11/21/21 5:43pm

      I hate Dumb Kevin so fucking much.

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      DianeBKTebow Kneeled First
      11/21/21 9:27pm

      Fucking Dumb Kevin. Always ruining it for the rest of us.

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    GeminiidJody Serrano
    11/21/21 8:28am

    Gonna go out on a limb and suppose this doesn’t apply to Foxconn workers, or anybody else down the manufacturing line, where the pay disparities get (allegedly) really wild.

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      Orange ExigeGeminiid
      11/21/21 2:53pm

      There’s good - well, really bad - reasons for outsourcing and its not because superior manufacturing magically runs in the DNA of poorer countries with weak labor laws... (not that American labor is anything to be marveled at nowadays) 

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    SPF30Jody Serrano
    11/21/21 12:12am

    Whatever the state or federal laws covering this, many people would frame pay as a “privacy” issue and not talk about how much they make with co-workers.

    Maybe those workers know that there is bias in pay and that they [mistakenly] believe it is in their favor.

    The law comes first, but the change in culture may follow later.

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    Steve P.Jody Serrano
    11/21/21 8:42am

    Apple tells employees that they have freedom that they already know they have while hawking a product that gives you no freedom and leads you through the nose at every step and turn, making you do virtually everything only the way they want it. 

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