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Manitos, The Tiny Hands of TrumpNatalie Degraffinried
11/26/18 10:40am
Meanwhile, you got ideas like this floating around among the clueless:
Oh, you mean White veterans.
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  emacdaddyManitos, The Tiny Hands of Trump
  11/26/18 11:09am
  this is TERRIFYING
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  MajorBurnManitos, The Tiny Hands of Trump
  11/26/18 11:09am
  He looks absolutely like someone who should be armed in a chaotic public school, additionally around children that may look like the people formerly deemed his “enemy”. Our Armed Forces deal so well with civilian populations...
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MajorBurnNatalie Degraffinried
11/26/18 11:21am
Frankly the narrative that “Cousin Jim” or whatever was going to fall back on his 4 yr enlistment from 25 yrs ago or his weekly shooting meet up at the range was going to be better than a currently trained officer (who’s just ‘okay’ anyway) was stupid in the first place. Sure some people get lucky, or stay cool under pressure and save lives. It’s the exception, not the norm. See Parkland shooting, The.
Second, holding a gun at a shootout while not dressed as SWAT makes you a target. As does being Black in the vicinity of a shooting. I’m not saying the Police aren’t culpable here; they most certainly are, but in the event of a shooting, adding more visible guns to the mix seems like a bad idea.
3rd, it’s the NRA and the 2nd Amendment “expanders” (and oddly a lot of cops seem to be NRA members) who put forth this fallacy in the first place. You’d think the cops would be for less guns, as to hear them tell it, each work day is like running a gauntlet.
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  Squib308MajorBurn
  11/26/18 1:11pm
  3rd, it’s the NRA and the 2nd Amendment “expanders” (and oddly a lot of cops seem to be NRA members) who put forth this fallacy in the first place. You’d think the cops would be for less guns, as to hear them tell it, each work day is like running a gauntlet.
  You might also think the NRA would be ‘up in arms’, so to speak, about the police shooting one of their favorite things - the ‘good guy with a gun’.
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  BladecutterSquib308
  11/26/18 1:49pm
  The only problem is that the NRA doesn’t equate a Black Guy with a Gun as being a Good Guy with a Gun. Here is their official stance on gun possession:
  Black Guy with a Gun = Bad
  Good Guy with a Gun = White
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s3rp3ntsNatalie Degraffinried
11/26/18 10:31am
Alabama is also a SYG state - as of ‘06. So now you have open carry (no permit necessary for handguns, as of 2013) and SYG, and a dead black man in possession of his handgun legally.
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  Quantum Jimmies of Pangaean Are Both Russled And Not Russleds3rp3nts
  11/26/18 10:34am
  SYG is literally a lethal coin toss of the brown paper bag test.
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  MajorBurns3rp3nts
  11/26/18 11:23am
  No permit requirements for handguns is incredibly stupid. Might as well just give a free gun to anyone convicted of domestic violence.
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TodayIsMondayAgainNatalie Degraffinried
11/26/18 10:16am
The asshat NRA released their statement here.
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ftrMDNatalie Degraffinried
11/26/18 10:53am
Typical police media tactics in deceiving public of their interaction with black men:
1. Reflexively push narrative that we should blindly praise the heroism of the officer with respect to ANY police malfeasance.
2. Create as much ambiguity regarding innocent black man’s guilt (first saying he was the shooter, then refusing to outright exonerate him by saying ‘likely’ not the shooter instead of what they knew privately which was that he was ‘absolutely’ not the shooter).
3. Blame the black man for his own death in the police’s homicidal actions, irrespective of what the evidence will show.
4. Refusing to release the police body cam/ refusing to turn on the police body cam in the first place/ mysteriously having some aspect of the police body cam footage not work.
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  DolemiteftrMD
  11/26/18 11:56am
  Yes, it’s very noticeable how they’ve worded their response to this. Instead of saying, “We shot an innocent black man who was trying to protect others.” Their wording has been, “The man was involved in a shooting...he brandished a gun...we do not *believe* he was the one that shot this one person...”
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  WankstaftrMD
  11/26/18 1:07pm
  I’m just waiting for “Well yeah they did shoot the wrong guy, but they found a facebook picture of him with a joint in his lips so...”
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Old white guyNatalie Degraffinried
11/26/18 10:42am
Sad but expected, I called this over the weekend when they initially gave their “oops”.
Now waiting for the explanation on how he escalated the situation (did the guy in Kentucky escalate the situation when he pulled his gun on the grocery store shooter?).
I’d also like to know what Spidey-sense thecops think black people have that he should have known that cops were on their way as they claim he should have.
And if the press isn’t too busy lauding the police officer from saving the people of the mall from this gun brandishing black man, how about an investigative report on all the training cops in Alabama go through to identify themselves before shooting, and how they are learnt how to differentiate a good guy with a gun from a bad guy with a gun, let alone whether they are aware that the open carry and stand your ground laws are not specified as “whites only”.
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chrisaedfaNatalie Degraffinried
11/26/18 11:33am
This from another article: “It doesn’t matter if you’re a good guy with a gun, if you’re black the police shoot and kill you and ask questions later,” Crump said.
I agree this is a bad, unfortunate situation, but I’d like to know of ANY other time a “good guy with a gun” has run away from a shooting scene after the shooting was over and the cops arrived. Instead of jumping on the “a cop shot another black man” bandwagon, try to use common sense.
There HAVE been several bad shootings of blacks by cops, but they’re few and far between (Aaron Campbell, Walter Scott, Levar Jones) and a few whites too (Justine Damond, Dillon Taylor [though he didn’t listen to cops, made suspicious moves]).
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  Belve10chrisaedfa
  11/26/18 12:08pm
  Where has this narrative that he ran away come from that it’s being so widely used?
  And if you say from a police report, I will scream bloody murder.
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  The Intersectional Feminist part doschrisaedfa
  11/26/18 2:36pm
  No need to repeat the same shitty take, troll
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AshBlackNatalie Degraffinried
11/26/18 10:19am
So just a reminder that Hoover PD has always been aggressive and racist.
This video is from 2008. I believe this man did strike a police officer with his car during the chase, but you can clearly see him get thrown from the car and then get the brakes beat off of him while he is unconscious. EXCESSIVE. It should also be pointed out that this street where the video begins is directly in from of the mall Emantic was shot in.
In the story below Hoover PD assisted in apprehending this fellow a year ago who actually shot at police. He was somehow captured alive. Guess his race.
https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/09/shots_fired_at_pelham_police_d.html
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  sTalkinggoat, first and last of his nameAshBlack
  11/26/18 12:33pm
  I remember this. The four cops involved (who were all black BTW, just in case anyone thinks the solution to police violence is more POC cops) Got fired for this obvious excessive force, then about a year later after the press had died down the PD hired them all back with back pay and promotions. Your tax dollars at work.
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  AshBlacksTalkinggoat, first and last of his name
  11/26/18 1:16pm
  Yep. Hoover PD, Homewood PD, and Birmingham PD are the worst. The stories I used to hear when I helped my cousin with her Bail Bonds Business...
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DolemiteNatalie Degraffinried
11/26/18 11:54am
So when Republicans and the NRA say we need all citizens armed in case of an active shooter event, they mean 1. Not black people. 2. Make sure to keep the gun holstered and don’t draw it.
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  DarkwingChuckDolemite
  11/26/18 1:43pm
  They said “all citizens.” Oh, wait, blacks are citizens now. They keep forgetting. Oh well, it’s not really worth the time since they’ll be fixing that as soon as they’re done with the brown people.
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eoghan01Natalie Degraffinried
11/26/18 10:49am
The only person who can stop a bad guys with a gun is a good guy with a gun ... unless the good guy is Black, and then he’s just going to get shot by the police. I’m sure the NRA is preparing a statement on this right now....
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