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Mr.DuckSauceJay Connor
11/25/18 2:11pm
He illegally went to an island KNOWING it was illegal and how that island operates and he could die and did it anyway. Let that be a lesson to anyone else who wants to fuck with people who DO NOT WANT TO BE FUCKED WITH.
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  PoguetryinMotionMr.DuckSauce
  11/25/18 2:17pm
  There is nothing tragic about this. There is, however, some sort of poetic justice. Clearly, God wanted him dead - isn’t that how it works?
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  SessoMatto (Yes, I'm really fun at parties.)Mr.DuckSauce
  11/25/18 2:26pm
  Yeah, he was even warned. He at least should have given up once his bible was shot with an arrow. Hello! Message from god! I’d turn back if I were you!
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Not Enough Day DrinkingJay Connor
11/25/18 2:16pm
Our thoughts and prayers go out to both John’s family and friends
Well then the matter is closed. Once thoughts and prayers have been sent, there’s not much else anyone can do.
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  BlakeBortlesandJaymes: Thanos Won Because of NebulaNot Enough Day Drinking
  11/25/18 3:17pm
  I say send the body out like a Viking funeral. Solves many problems at once.
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  BillNot Enough Day Drinking
  11/25/18 4:24pm
  But the guns haven’t come out yet. It’s too early for “faux Christian thoughts and prayers”.
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JustPassingThroughJay Connor
11/25/18 2:20pm
My mom said that a bunch of white people were going to go to that island and kill that tribe as retaliation. I told her that was unlikely. Now, I believe I was wrong.
Between Chau’s germs exposing the tribe to diseases for which they have no immunity and his vigilantes, I won’t be surprised if the Sentinelese people are wiped out within a year.
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  SgtMajJustPassingThrough
  11/25/18 2:28pm
  This is precisely why the Sentinelese are so wary of foreigners. British colonial rule almost accompished their extermination
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  GodDamnTheseElectricSexPantsJustPassingThrough
  11/25/18 2:48pm
  I think those Christian soldiers will only find the dead and dying thanks to their friend/plague corpse.
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Citizen-KangJay Connor
11/25/18 3:07pm
I know it’s usually in very poor taste to blame the victim, but this is one of those rare cases where, frankly, the blame lies, in no small part, at the feet of the victim. Sure, he shouldn’t have been killed, but there was no shortage of warning signs he acknowledged and yet willfully ignored. It’s like seeing an open field in your path with a “Warning: Landmines” in front of it and deciding that you’re not going to give in to the fear-mongers who put the mines there by walking straight through. Yeah, in a perfect world such things wouldn’t exist, but you’d be an idiot to insist that your worldview allows you to ignore reality.
I’m sending thoughts and prayers since that has worked so well for this country so far...
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  Dr. AudreyCitizen-Kang
  11/25/18 3:12pm
  This is the problem with religion in general. It basically encourages people to see those “Warning: Landmines” signs as there to dissuade them from doing something good. I can almost guarantee you that he saw this as the “devil” attempting to dissuade him from his “important” work. Turning around would have been a sign of a lack of faith, not a prudent decision.
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  kemperboydCitizen-Kang
  11/25/18 3:15pm
  I mean where else does the blame lie in this case? He went multiple times to a place he knew was illegal to be and that he could kill them with his germs. He went back multiple times after they shot him with arrows and sabotaged his canoe so he couldn’t get back.
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TurkeyandPastramiJay Connor
11/25/18 2:16pm
If someone’s own family gets it, despite losing their loved one and being in a state of grief and by all accounts vulnerable to the misgivings of vindictiveness (no matter how unjustified), yet a group that hides behind the facade of “forgiveness” and “lovingness” fails to heed the same mentality, well, I don’t know if there is a better description to add next to Webster’s definition of hypocrisy.
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  Hyperbolic Idiot ChamberTurkeyandPastrami
  11/25/18 2:44pm
  Yeah the actual Christian thing to do is to forgive the people who killed him, not calling for vengeance.
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  skefflesHyperbolic Idiot Chamber
  11/25/18 4:57pm
  Yeah, the whole “turn the other cheek” and “judge not” thing seems to have passed a lot of “Christians” by. Starting to wonder if the reason Jesus has not returned is he’s too ashamed by what his followers are doing in his name to show his face.
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Hyperbolic Idiot ChamberJay Connor
11/25/18 2:42pm
However, local police are unsure if they’ll be able to retrieve Chau’s body. Because that would require illegally invading a sovereign island as well.
Is it a sovereign island? I thought it was considered a part of India? Either way I doubt they could retrieve the body without more people dying so I don’t think it’s worth it.
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  Old white guyHyperbolic Idiot Chamber
  11/25/18 2:55pm
  It’s BOTH a part of india and soveriegn land. Technically, the same is held for ‘reservations’ in the United States, except, of course, the US gov’t feels free to invade the lands when it suits their purpose (such as laying down a pipeline).
  At least India appears to truly support the lives of the indigenous, as opposed to giving them lip service.
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  Hyperbolic Idiot ChamberOld white guy
  11/25/18 2:59pm
  I see, thank you for the info.
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Raineyb1013Jay Connor
11/25/18 4:45pm
It just seems to frost some people that there are places that they are not welcomed and cannot go.
Apparently, concern for the well being of the people whose land he was invading did not come into play. I hope his body being in their land doesn’t cause any disease to wipe out the population.
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  mocenaRaineyb1013
  11/25/18 6:43pm
  Having spent some ill-advised time with evangelicals in my mid-20s, I can say with certainty, that concern is all he thought he had for these people, he’s just too dumb to know that he’s being used. To him, this earth is nothing, it’s only what happens after you die that matters. The fact that he could potentially wipe out an entire tribe just by showing up and saying the name “Jesus,” is practically an evangelical thought experiment to prove the worth of their work.
  And his whole crap about Satan’s last stronghold? That’s a really beautiful piece of work, that is. Basically, the idea is that if a people HEAR about Jesus but don’t immediately join the church, it’s a choice they made and whatever happens to them, in life or in death, is on them. That’s how it’s made okay to shit on/colonize people who aren’t Christians but have been raised their entire lives with a different faith. (See, for example, people who don’t care that Syrian refugees are dying because they aren’t Christians.) Because, you see, they have HEARD of Jesus’s love, but they didn’t take it, so now they’re fair game for whatever awful shit these people have planned to help them line their pockets. But this work depends on people like this dipshit missionary, who probably want to convert people to Christianity, but even if they don’t convert a single person, still serve the church’s overall mission to shit on brown people. And now he’s a martyr, and they can use THAT to increase donations to the “missionary work” they have all over the world. It’s a win for the church, for sure.
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  duchessedemalRaineyb1013
  11/25/18 8:23pm
  Seriously, none of this makes any sense, even in a basic “Christian” way. If you care about people even in the most cursory way, you *do not* want to cause them physical harm and/or certain death. I mean, it ain’t exactly a high bar.
  I’m as agnostic/atheist/angry former Catholic as you can be, but damn, I’d be desperately trying to get away from any stranger or group of people I knew to have no immunity to the pathogens I carry. I would be a deadly weapon to them, capable not only of killing one of them, but of killing their entire civilization. The honorable thing would be to drown before you can reach the island so you can ensure their safety. I mean, what would Jesus do? THAT. The hardest thing. The most selfless thing. The thing that will not harm anyone.
  Instead this guy actively, assiduously ignored that he could kill any or all of them. WTF? You’re lower than dirt if that’s what you do. And the fact is, that is what he fucking well did. That’s murder.
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Old white guyJay Connor
11/25/18 3:03pm
When I first heard the story of the american who was killed going to an island illegally, I thought “Oh, geesh, millenial idiots and their ‘experience’ trips. Disregardling laws”.
Then I found out the idiot was an idiot missionary, trying to force his views on people who have never asked for it, nor invited them to him, because, you know, it’s in the bible that people should ‘spread the word’! Can’t be bothered to go places you’re allowed. And all so HE can feel like he did something good.
A person who cares nothing about killing the people he is supposedly trying to ‘save’ doesn’t deserve sympathy, let alone ‘justice’.
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  Two Mittens' 8th Burner NowOld white guy
  11/25/18 4:28pm
  A few folks are saying he was just a adventure tripper idiot who took up the “missionary” flag. Could be both I guess. In any case fuck him. Glad his family is more sensible.
  https://twitter.com/Gurdur/status/1066190302728343552?s=19
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  Two Mittens' 8th Burner NowTwo Mittens' 8th Burner Now
  11/25/18 4:29pm
  Also a great read about why him targeting these folks was ESPECIALLY fucked up
  https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1065841141201989632?s=19
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jystadJay Connor
11/25/18 3:32pm
This story makes me so angry, because the Sentinelese have gone on for over 60,000 years in isolation. They do not even know how to make fire, have no immunities to everyday pathogens Chau was rife with, and their population is already dwindling—-plus climate change will likely sink their home.
So, then you add this foolish man on a mission, and those who came before him. Chau wrote that he felt the island could be Satan’s last stronghold—and because of the gall Chau had, I kind of want it to be true. I want Satan to just sit there under a tree cackling at this man’s folly, and then rewarding the Sentinelese with food or whatever for defending their island so well. The world is vast, Satan can’t have just one island to lord over?
May this man’s death be a warning to everyone else who would interfere with the Sentinelese just doing them. Chau died so these people could go on living, period.
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  Bumblebyejystad
  11/25/18 6:04pm
  I was reading the wikipedia page on them. I didn’t delve into the references, but it seems they’ve been genetically isolated for about 1,700 generations/26,000 yrs, are most genetically similar to south east asians (y and mitochondrial dna), but have no denisovan inheritance (which modern south east asians, new guineans, australian indigenous do, up to 6%).
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  mocenaBumblebye
  11/25/18 6:31pm
  How did they get DNA on these folks?
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BertrammmJay Connor
11/25/18 6:51pm
Since when are any of those villagers bound by American law? Since when in the history of ever can they be tried by our court system? And why the hell isn’t Chau being held accountable for his own reckless and self-serving behavior?
I’m as culturally relativistic as they come, and even I can’t get down with the notion that killing somebody because they came into your country illegally and tried to proselytize (a) warrants their death and (b) can be termed “self-defense” without any actual analysis of what went down. Yeah, I think we should, when it comes to life and death matters, probably use our own moral compass to judge the appropriateness of these sorts of acts.
Now, if you know something I don’t, and it turns out that Chau literally assaulted one or more people on the island, and was killed when those people defended themselves, then yeah, that strikes me as self-defense. But no, it’s not self-defense to just be offended that a Christian showed up to preach his faith, and fucking kill the dude. That’s not how self-defense works in our system, nor do I think there’s a rational argument that it can work like that under any system. Just call it what it is: “We get to kill people who aren’t like us.” It’s all fine and well for other cultures to have their own rules, laws, and customs, but that doesn’t mean we have to dress them up as something other than what they are in order to soften the blow.
Just be frank about what that shit is. Yes, it’s murder. No, it’s not self-defense. Is it actionable from our end? Of course not. They aren’t bound by our laws. But employing softening language to make shit sound like something it isn’t serves nobody in the end.
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  BadOmbreBertrammm
  11/25/18 7:47pm
  Yeah, I had a problem with this, too. I’ve heard some folks when contronted with this argue try to reply “He has diseases!” But the Sentinelese wouldn’t have known that, and that still wouldn’t have justified the killing in either case.
  Like, I think he was stupid as fuck and I’m not exactly feeling a lot of sympathy for him. But let’s also not pretend this was a justified killing. I mean, I think the most charitable warping of this is that they are at a state of war with the outside world and thus this could be a killing during a military/police operation on their end.
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  which-witchBertrammm
  11/25/18 8:07pm
  If they aren’t bound by our laws, our definitions of what constitutes murder and self defense are irrelevant.
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