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    JoerenMichael Harriot
    9/13/18 2:53pm

    Sorry, but you’re full of crap. Every mainstream news outlet I’ve read over the past few days has told Mr. Jean’s story: he was a respected professional at a prestigious accounting firm, he was active in his church, he had a beautiful singing voice, he was from St. Lucia, he was beloved by everyone who knew him, and so on. Also widely covered has been the outrage that Officer Guyger seems to be getting the benefit of the doubt because she’s a cop and perhaps because of her race. Even right-wing National Review called this “the worst cop shooting yet” and said (correctly) that had the roles been reversed, Mr. Jean would have been in handcuffs and charged with murder that same night. WE (meaning the vast majority of white people) ARE WITH YOU. Stop saying we’re not, and stop pushing us away.

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      kidelo gave up commenting for 2019Joeren
      9/13/18 3:09pm

      I don’t think this is about pushing white people away, but I do think it’s about coming correct and calling a murder a murder. 

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      sTalkinggoat, first and last of his nameJoeren
      9/13/18 3:16pm

      WE (meaning the vast majority of white people) ARE WITH YOU. Stop saying we’re not, and stop pushing us away.

      Go away white moderate. You were useless in 1963 and you are useless now.

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    Quantum Jimmies of Pangaean Are Both Russled And Not RussledMichael Harriot
    9/13/18 2:23pm

    When will the black community police itself and stop expecting racist, trigger-happy cowards holding a badge and gun to not invade their house and shoot them?

    Why are black leaders (tm Fox News) so angry when all the college educated prayer leader had to do was not provoke any possible irrational, possibly violent thoughts in the mind of an armed home invader?

    Why are black so upset before all the facts are in and the local PD and DA allow the armed invader 48 hours to come up with three different stories of what happened and try to discredit any possible witnesses?

    /s

    Did I type that correctly in my white voice?

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      VinQuantum Jimmies of Pangaean Are Both Russled And Not Russled
      9/13/18 2:29pm

      It’s getting there. Needs 2/10ths more “I’d like to see your manager” inflection, with a bit of “I have black friends” for the right level of condescending flavor.

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      MatthewVin
      9/13/18 2:46pm

      Throw in a couple “I don’t think you understand”s and “why are we not allowed to tell our side of the story” and you could sell this to 12 people easy.

      As long as they were white and, let’s face it, they are.

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    Minimum MausMichael Harriot
    9/13/18 2:11pm

    Amber Guyger reportedly killed him.

    ...what kind of mistakes she made when she allegedly killed a man?

    For once I don’t think the journalistic touches of “reportedly” and “allegedly” are needed because she has admitted she killed Botham Jean.

    She just hasn’t admitted she murdered him.

    Fortunately I’m just a commenter in the greys, so I’m fine with stating that fact.

    Botham Jean was murdered by Amber Guyger.

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      sTalkinggoat, first and last of his nameMinimum Maus
      9/13/18 3:13pm

      According to the justice system she didn’t murder him. I mean, she just pointed a gun at his chest and pulled the trigger twice. He’s only dead because he’s not bulletproof and I guess that must be his fault.

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      ShawnTheGuitaristsTalkinggoat, first and last of his name
      9/13/18 4:27pm

      That’s one of the reasons Luke Cage is so powerful

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    Standing8Michael Harriot
    9/13/18 2:26pm

    “to have your death dissected in a desperate futile search for the meaninglessness of your existence.”

    This. 

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      Quantum Jimmies of Pangaean Are Both Russled And Not RussledStanding8
      9/13/18 3:02pm

      It a weird turn of the magical negro/manic pixie dream girl trope. The dead black victim, even cold in the grave, serves to justify/rectify the murderous /antihuman atrocities of the white protagonist.

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      Quantum Jimmies of Pangaean Are Both Russled And Not RussledStanding8
      9/13/18 3:02pm

      I’ll see you in hell, Kinja!

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    iculookinMichael Harriot
    9/13/18 2:48pm

    Our blood and bones power the White supremacist system. Without Black people, who would White people use to sell their guns? Who would they use as slave labor in their prisons? Who would they blame for their fractured mess of a society?

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      Tomi Marchanticulookin
      9/13/18 3:13pm

      💯💯💯💯

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      Minimum Mausiculookin
      9/13/18 3:54pm

      As a Canadian I can answer that for you... Here it’s the First Nations people.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Colten_Boushie

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    CaptainPowerMichael Harriot
    9/13/18 2:22pm

    Truer words have never been spoken. The victim never gets to tell their side and instead the media paints a portrait of the accused as being the most innocent person ever. Instead of making excuses, she needs to continue to uphold the law by not only turning herself in but pleading guilty to taking his life and understand that her action has a consequence. Accident or intentional, a man is dead and that is her responsibility. 

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      No!Wire!Hangers!CaptainPower
      9/13/18 3:13pm

      I admit, I am also guilty of trying to understand why Guyger killed Jean but mostly because of the bizarro nature of the murder. Was it an ‘accident’ in that she went to the wrong apartment and thought there was an intruder? Unlikely, since the doors locked automatically so how did she get in without a key? Was she drunk and or high? Unlikely, since she was driving and coming home from work so she couldn’t have been that impaired. But mostly because at least at the beginning we were led to believe the two didn’t know each other. But now that I heard she’d made multiple noise complaints about Jean, she probably went up there herself at least once to complain in person, so it’s kind of starting to look like she went over there to complain again and in her rage, ended up shooting him...

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      ThoseAreDigimonNo!Wire!Hangers!
      9/13/18 3:35pm

      I admit, I am also guilty of trying to understand why Guyger killed Jean but mostly because of the bizarro nature of the murder.

      Well unless someone finds a motive, the jury will be asked whether a “reasonable person” in her position would have pulled a trigger.

      This country’s definition of a “reasonable person” has gone off the rails a bit as of late.

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    JharkinsMichael Harriot
    9/13/18 2:52pm

    I wonder what the story would be if Jean wasn’t the one that had died. If she’d broken into his house and had died instead of how it happened. Would he be on trial for murder? Would we be hearing about the man who defended his home only to find out it had been an innocent mistake? Or would we be hearing about the monster that had killed an off duty police officer? Somehow I doubt that if the tables were turned Botham Jean would be given the same treatment. It wouldn’t be a man protecting himself and his home from an intruder it’d be a black man murdering a white female cop when she’d done nothing wrong. The right to protect ones self and to protect ones home aren’t for everybody, they’re for white folk.

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      sTalkinggoat, first and last of his nameJharkins
      9/13/18 4:02pm

      Ask Ray Rosas.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/12/15/the-inexplicable-prosecution-and-vindication-of-ray-rosas/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c1ecb302ef6a

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      The Ghost of James Madison's Rage BonersTalkinggoat, first and last of his name
      9/13/18 5:27pm

      I’m still amazed that he lived long enough to be acquitted. He wasn’t the first person to find himself in a situation like that, but in every other case I can think of, the police killed the homeowner daring to defend himself.

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    Mercenary ChefMichael Harriot
    9/13/18 3:56pm

    I, too, often find myself looking at and for the ‘why’ and ‘how’ of various situations. This one is no exception. I would like to know how this murderer got into an innocent man’s home, and why she felt justified in ending his life. None of those questions are going to change one simple fact, though: Amber Guyger MURDERED Botham Jean.

    Amber Guyger MURDERED Botham Jean.

    AMBER GUYGER MURDERED BOTHAM JEAN.

    It doesn’t matter if she was dead tired after work. Botham Jean is dead.

    Doesn’t matter if she thought it was her apartment. It belonged to Botham Jean.

    It doesn’t matter that she’s a cop. She killed a man in cold blood.

    The hows and the whys of something are important -there is no ignorance- but they don't MATTER, because the end result is that she killed an innocent man after a conflict that SHE started.

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      Done So DoneMercenary Chef
      9/13/18 4:11pm

      One thing, if I may. There was no conflict. Or if there was, it was all in her own head. Botham didn’t do anything but walk through his own damn apartment in the dark, as one does after bedtime, and she illegally entered that apartment and murdered him.

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      Mercenary ChefDone So Done
      9/13/18 4:34pm

      Granted. Conflict may not have been the wisest choice of words, because it was most definitely one-sided.

      “The situation that resulted in her murdering a man was of her own creation.” is how I should have put that, I think.

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    NickMichael Harriot
    9/13/18 2:37pm

    Why has no one ever explained why Trayvon Marton would jump on an armed man who outweighed him?

    I think I can field this one: it had nothing to do with Marton’s state of mind, and everything to do with Zimmerman’s. He knew, and doubtless continues to know, that he is an obese, short man, utterly devoid of anything that could be considered remotely akin to physical prowess, or, as importantly, the fighting spirit that a small number of men have, which can sometimes compensate for the lack of the same. He had neither the physical tools nor the psychology to successfully engage in an altercation with anyone more imposing than perhaps a 5th grader. He knew—as most cops today inherently know—that if he got into a scuffle with a determined opponent, there was a very high likelihood he would get his ass beaten. Since he had a gun on him, as with this murderous idiot here, failing to use it would necessarily open up the possibility that the weapon would simply be taken from him and used against him. His state of mind was objectively absurd, but subjectively, with him being the pathetic worm he is...  

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      kidelo gave up commenting for 2019Nick
      9/13/18 3:06pm

      Not that it matters, but Zimmerman wasn’t obese when he killed Trayvon. He was very fit and had been training to learn to fight. It’s almost as if he wanted to use the skills he had been learning. Check out the excellent documentary series Jay-Z produced, Rest in Power: The Trayvon Martin Story so you know the facts about George Zimmerman. He is a very bad and dangerous man.

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      Nickkidelo gave up commenting for 2019
      9/13/18 3:18pm

      Thank you, I will check that out.

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    Vanessa FutrellMichael Harriot
    9/13/18 2:35pm

    I haven’t wasted a goddamn second wondering how this could have happened. Guyger is a stone cold killer. Period.

    p.s. one of the commentators on this story tried to justify the shooting as a cop being “startled by something”. Not a human being, but something. I straightened its ass out but of course, it tried to backpedal.

    Freud wasn’t wrong about everything.

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