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"Hachi"Zack Linly
2/01/18 9:23am
Ok, as a fan of both old school and the new trash (LOL) I pretty much agree with you. However, and this is a big however, the new kids pay absolutely no respect to the legends that paved the way for them. That, for me, is the issue. Maybe I have selective memory, but, let’s take a look at female rappers. I really don’t remember Missy or Kim taking shots at MC Lyte or Queen Latifah. I was still in junior high when Missy, Kim and their generation were putting out their debut albums but.....I really don’t remember this. That’s just rude af and ignorant.
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  Kyo Soma A."Hachi"
  2/01/18 10:11am
  I am not going to even act like I am a connoisseur on this type of genre. I am more a Gang of Four / Fugazi kind or person. But I was lucky to have friends who exposed me to a lot of hip-hop growing up. This is just youth. This is what they do all the time. These performers are going to do the same thing when they get old. Would I say that hip-hop is boring now...yes and no. There are some gems out there, it’s why I like The Rundown with Robin Thede, she will bring new or upcoming people in the music scene, so I have been more exposed to good stuff out there. I call musicians like Migos, POP-hop. They are not really rap or hip-hop its for the kids. From what I understand Hip-hop and rap even if it’s fun, it’s a public service message to showcase information through wordplay. There needs to be a message, so younger artists like Kendrick Lamar is actually hop-hop.
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  Rewind4ThatBehind"Hachi"
  2/01/18 10:38am
  Hachi, this isn’t exactly true.
  There are plenty of kids in this current generation digging in the crates, online researching, asking their parents, etc all to know about older music, because they dig it. Just because we don’t always see it doesn’t mean it’s not happening, because I’m always privy to the kids around me asking for the music & facts hook up.
  Besides, I’d say this echoing it from N.O.R.E on his Drink Champs podcast. We, as Black people, never gave hip-hop heads their due. We treat it like a young person’s game, where once rappers reach a certain age, we treat them like they’re washed and don’t have anything to offfer (which is funny because the most successful rappers out right now are late 30s - late 40s). We don’t treat our rappers like white people treat rock & roll artists. Run DMC should be our Rolling Stones. Wu-Tang should be our AC/DC. Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, all of the older heads should be literally royalty right now but that’s on us all for not giving the love when it was due. So we can’t blame the kids now for not doing it if WE didn’t do it either. They learn through example, right?
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PaulMooneysTongueZack Linly
2/01/18 9:22am
I’ll start with a disclaimer: I’m an old hip-hop head. I am thirty-*coughs and crumples paper while driving under a bridge* years old and I am set in my taste similar to how white people describe their racist parents as being “set in their ways.”
If Roxanne’s Revenge, I’m Bad, Rapper’s Delight and The Breaks don’t evoke a “Awwwwww shit! That’s my jam” during the opening bars, with all due respect, you ain’t an “old hip-hop head”. LOL
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  cdwag14PaulMooneysTongue
  2/01/18 9:37am
  This. If you never bought It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back, Strictly Business, Straight Outta Compton, Paul’s Boutique, Paid In Full, The Low End Theory or Three Feet High and Rising then no you aren’t old school
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  PaulMooneysTonguecdwag14
  2/01/18 9:40am
  On 12' no doubt. LOL
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cdwag14Zack Linly
2/01/18 9:45am
I tried to let things roll off my back as I get older but the reason that so many of us “old heads” in and out of the genre are ripping this shit is that once upon a time Hip hop stood for something. In the golden era 86-93,as far as I’m concerned, you had different genres within the medium. For every DJ Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince you had a Public Enemy. For every Kid N Play you had an X-Clan. Now? You have Kendrick Lamar who has the spirit of the old school and no one else. Also the women of that era didn’t need to show their asses all the damn time. Regardless of gender you had to have something to say. The fact that none of these “artists” seem to want to pay respect to those that paved the way on top of their shit music, this leads to conflict. A Tribe Called Quest put out a damn good album that had something to say and sadly it got buried under the pile of shit that calls itself rap. I’m all for young artists making a name for themselves but sadly some of these cats seem to think they’re on the same level as legends with 1/10th of their accomplishments. Oh Tomi Lahren was rapping to 21 Savage that pretty much tells you all you need to know. I bet she don’t know shit about De La Soul.
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  In-A-Mazda-Da-Vidacdwag14
  2/01/18 9:53am
  To be fair it’s not just Kendrick Lamar and no one else. I barely keep up with new hip-hop but Vince Staples, Logic, Joey Badass, etc. all have traditionalist spirit to their music, just off the top of my head
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  satalacIn-A-Mazda-Da-Vida
  2/01/18 10:05am
  Don’t forget ASAP Rocky. I think he is the best blend of old and new our there right now.
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JamieZack Linly
2/01/18 9:29am
My motto when I got to a certain age is:
Not everything is for me.
This keeps you from getting upset and letting it roll right off your back. And not shytting all over someone else’s love of it. I apply it to everything...TV shows, Music, Movies, etc.
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  Rewind4ThatBehindJamie
  2/01/18 10:38am
  Facts
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  KC Complains A LotJamie
  2/01/18 11:49am
  That’s what I constantly try to remind myself. Some of this new shit just isn’t for me. I don’t get it, but I don’t think I’m supposed to get it.
  My little brother-in-law was listening to some new hip-hop artist I didn’t recognize in the car once, and it absolutely was NOT for me. But that’s where he is in his life, and I listened to a lot of awful shit in high school too, so who am I to judge?
  I think that’s what it takes sometimes; realizing that everything old isn’t great and everything you think is bad probably still resonates with people younger than you.
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kped45Zack Linly
2/01/18 9:42am
I have no problem with the new stuff, i know it’s not for me. My only problem with it is...it all sounds so similar. If there were only Migos, or Migos and Future, and everyone else did their own thing, great, there is variety. But it seems like everyone has that exact same style. That triplet thing may be OK in small doses, but modern fans seem to just want that, and so everyone is obliging them. So there is this “sameness” about everything right now.
I’d read an article about “Rap Cavier” on Spotify, went to listen to it, and had to tap out half way through the playlist, I couldn’t tell when one song started and the other ended.
Also...i think Migos being three people is a prank. That’s one guy. No one can convince me there are 3 separate Rappers in Migos. (seriously, imagine if Outkast was 2 Andre 3000's. Now, that would be two amazing MC’s, sure, but what would be the point of the second Andre 3000?)
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  mikesotoskped45
  2/01/18 9:50am
  lmao at that last paragraph.
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  Once You Pop, You Can’t Stopkped45
  2/01/18 11:38am
  I think it’s just my age and lack of interest in new stuff (and also lack of music videos on TV like when I was young so you could put faces to voices), but I can’t tell a lot of the new hip-hop groups/rappers apart anymore. Of course, I also can’t tell a lot of the pop singers or overproduced “rock” and dance acts apart anymore, either (wtf is a 21 Pilots or a Chainsmokers—are these bands or producers or what?).
  I will always like hip-hop from the sampling days better than the new stuff made on computers because I also like disco and funk music a lot.
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Rewind4ThatBehindZack Linly
2/01/18 10:29am
The hip-hop dispute is no different from any other cultural dispute we have: it’s all about ego.
This topic always brings up the same issue where folks are going to tell you how things should be instead of acknowledging nobody has a strangle hold on reality. It never works the way you were taught or believe it should because time changes everything. What you grew up knowing at one point turns into a completely different perspective once time passes and experiences stack up.
It made sense to me years ago to bitch & moan about how rap is falling apart. But then I realized yo...these kids are just like how I was when I was a kid. And everything they’re saying is for their group, not mines. It’s my old ass that keeps trying to butt in on their party because of labels (hip-hop isn’t based on one standard, we have several, yet keep forgetting that because we don’t like white folks grouping all our shit together).
Dead ass, it always comes down to one thing: you like what you like and that’s all good. Let them young ones have their shit. We got ours. If Yachty wants to be mad ignorant, bet, it has nothing to do with us. Because Yachty might not even last that long. Everything changes with time right? So to will the respect of hip hop for the younger generation.
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  StartingOverAgain
  2/01/18 10:48am
  This topic always brings up the same issue where folks are going to tell you how things should be instead of acknowledging nobody has a strangle hold on reality. It never works the way you were taught or believe it should because time changes everything. What you grew up knowing at one point turns into a completely different perspective once time passes and experiences stack up.
  We white folks do the same fucking thing, man. Right on!
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  Rewind4ThatBehindStartingOverAgain
  2/01/18 10:51am
  We all do man. It’s a human flaw across the board.
  That’s why egos are the worst thing about us.
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Quantum Jimmies of Pangaean Are Both Russled And Not RussledZack Linly
2/01/18 9:15am
I love rap, and I love your read on it. I also acknowledge that pop-adjacent rappers are designing product for pop music consumers, not for rap purists.
No one would dare compare Migos to Run the Jewels. Both groups cater to different markets and have very different focuses.
Some artists, like LL Kool J Eminem can deliver on both fronts of pop appeal, humor and raw, uncut ferocity; many deliver occasionally on both (Jay Z; Kanye); some specialize and do very well (Del the Funkyhomosapien, Ice Cube, Lil’ Jon).
I introduce my step kid to RTJ, but we both know we cannot politely play it loudly in public and RTJ has a narrower appeal.
I don’t think art is subjective, but marketing/distributing/consuming art is very subjective market-driven thing.
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  satalacQuantum Jimmies of Pangaean Are Both Russled And Not Russled
  2/01/18 10:06am
  RTJ doesn’t get near the love that they need to.
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  Once You Pop, You Can’t Stopsatalac
  2/01/18 11:33am
  Really? I felt like RTJ is all I heard about for like 2 years, especially when I lived in NYC (mostly from other white people, though).
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XanderpussZack Linly
2/01/18 10:40am
All music is art
No.
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NateZack Linly
2/01/18 9:49am
Hip hop used to settle rap feuds with battles. If the next generation won’t stand in the cypher then they will lose by default. Put up or shut up with your bars.
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  TheresNoCheeksLikeMoCheeksNate
  2/01/18 11:23am
  Part of the problem is “subliminals” have taken over direct disses in Hip-Hop. It went from diss songs where there was no debating who a rapper was getting at to nowadays where there are literally podcasts devoted to dissecting verses and determining who a rapper “might” be dissing (see most recently: Drake on basically all his recent verses).
  This isn’t shocking, of course, because we have a culture of social media-driven beef in all aspects of life. People will see each other on the street and not give even a side-eye, but then go online an hour later and roast that person for what they wore or how they acted. So while I can’t be surprised that rappers from this very same generation of online sneak dissing/subliminals are doing it in their music, it does make me LOL when those same rappers claim to be about that life. What life, exactly, are you about? Shooting and robbing, or gossiping and insulting from your Iphone X?
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iculookinZack Linly
2/01/18 1:02pm
New Hip-Hop is trash and it’s trash for three main reasons:
1. White people are the intended audience and they eat up this shit. I’m surprised that NRA commercials aren’t just 21 Savage or Famous Dex music videos overlaid with a stern White woman talking about “protecting” their families.
2. Look up the lyrics to any modern hip-hop hit from the last two years. Compare that to a hit released in 2008. Then 1998. Then 1988. The proof is in the pudding. I blame Lil Wayne’s “Lollipop” for this shit.
3. Going from counter-culture, to sub-culture to mainstream culture strips all of the original intent out of the art form. If you look at punk culture, it went from asshole teenagers beating each other senseless at concerts and in alleyways to soccer moms wearing pink streaked hair and a My Chemical Romance T-shirt as they drop kids out of their minivans. Same shit for hip-hop.
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