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No!Wire!Hangers!Breanna Edwards
11/28/17 9:07am
Bad joke. But I also think the coffee shop is being scapegoated and is the target of people’s anger over gentrification in general.
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  HuskyBroNo!Wire!Hangers!
  11/28/17 9:23am
  Bad joke?
  Scapegoated?
  You know how you don’t become “scapegoated”, a target of “People’s Anger Over Gentrification In General”?
  Don’t make bad jokes about gentrification, in general.
  Shit, you won, people are getting fucked over and suffering for your right to sell high priced coffee water and 8 buck scones. Then you want to rub salt in the wounds with a “tee hee wink wink white folks” ad campaign?
  No one is being “scapegoated”, motherfuckers are being called out on their bullshit. Bad joke, my ass, go the hell away, Ink!
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  "Hachi"No!Wire!Hangers!
  11/28/17 9:24am
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  why tf is that your takeaway?
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KJPSBreanna Edwards
11/28/17 10:40am
To be honest, before this article I never gave any thought to the idea “gentrification” being taken as a negative thing. I’m shocked people think it’s outright offensive. Still not sure it’s inherently racist or classist. Maybe it is. Maybe it’s a trigger word for some people? Or maybe we live in a society where it’s in fashion to decide empowerment means to be necessarily offended at anything and everything.

I just think we need to be gentle with each other and not assume bad faith at every turn. It only gives further wind to our lingering prejudices in all directions.
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  Cabbage Patch MatherKJPS
  11/28/17 10:58am
  Well, there’s a reason so many people make fun of hipsters.
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  Ugh.KJPS
  11/28/17 11:17am
  To be honest, before this article I never gave any thought to the idea “gentrification” being taken as a negative thing.
  Do that. Read up a bit on the whole thing, pros and cons.
  I’m shocked people think it’s outright offensive. Still not sure it’s inherently racist or classist.
  See above.
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skefflesBreanna Edwards
11/28/17 9:26am
Gentrification is one of those things that sounds good in theory, enriching an areas inhabitants, and improving their services; but in practice it never means enriching the people that are already there but instead forcing them out in favor of rich incomers, and while services might be improved it is nearly always at the expense of existing businesses and services which are forced out.
I hate people who pretend not to know this, most of them secretly (or not so secretly) take glee in destroying poor and non-Caucasian communities in favor of middle class white homogeneity.
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  black_fresh_of_the_boatskeffles
  11/28/17 9:45am
  To be honest there are no better solutions. I can think of other options but they are all as bad
  1) Rich people do not move in poor areas. Poor areas stay poor and become worse off
  2) Poor people in poor areas get good jobs... in reality what will happen is that they will leave those same poor areas for better locations. Have you ever heard of a highly paid doctor / lawyer going back to bad locales they come from - unless that location got gentrified
  3) A new company/government invests in the area which means a lot of better paid job, but probably the population won’t get these jobs because they are under-qualified. Consequently either rich people move in (i.e. gentrification) or they just drive in (e.g. Newark NJ, Detroit, etc.)
  4) Gentrification - poor get pushed out one way or the other
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  skefflesblack_fresh_of_the_boat
  11/28/17 9:50am
  General social enrichment so all areas increase in wealth an services thus negating the impetus to move in or out. Now that does need an increase in taxes and a dedicated national employment strategy in which the right lesson from the prisoner’s dilemma is applied instead of the usual one.
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Cabbage Patch MatherBreanna Edwards
11/28/17 9:44am
“This city, and particularly this neighborhood, was made cool by the artists. Before that, this wasn’t a place that people could hang out, and certainly not a place where a coffee shop chain would move in,” Johnson added.
Johnson’s correct that people from the outside likely wouldn’t “hang out” in Five Points before the artists made it cool. However, the statement also points to one of the major- albeit unintentional- causes of gentrification- artists.
You cannot go to a neighborhood like 1970's Jamaica Plain, or 1980's Silverlake or Mission District or 2000's East Sixth or Manor in Austin, open up a yoga studio or a nature food store or an art gallery, and expect that neighborhood not to gentrify over time. Because once a neighborhood is hipsterized even 2%, the floodgates come open and the upper 30% (upper middle/creative class) move in.
You either decide to be the first hipster (liberal? Artisan? Progressive? Artist?) to touch the neighborhood and thus change it forever, or you decide not to.
But, don’t decide to touch it with something “authentic” and then claim that you were not at least partly responsible for the chain cafe that came later. Because you were.
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  IslaLatinaCabbage Patch Mather
  11/28/17 2:25pm
  So... what are the anti-gentrification artists supposed to do? Not share our art?
  The reason why we live in “pre-gentrified” neighborhoods is because we typically can’t afford to live elsewhere. Not because we think it’s “hip” or “cool” to live there. Like everyone else in the neighborhood - regardless of race - it’s out of necessity.
  If our creative efforts attract hipsters (sorry, hipsters are not interchangeable with artists) who want to open organic-air-yoga studios (I don’t know any artists who open yoga studios), and free-trade bespoke pickle shops, what do you suggest we do when we’re as much a part of the community that’s being gentrified as anyone else there? The artists get pushed out just like everyone else to make room for the hipsters, and trust-fund wannabe artists - people who call themselves artists just so they can behave like a flake, but don’t actually create anything.
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  GungadinIslaLatina
  11/28/17 2:53pm
  Do whatever you want; just don’t complain about the results you helped create.
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det-devil-ailsBreanna Edwards
11/28/17 10:25am
‘In hindsight, our campaign was callous, naive and uninformed to the true character of the neighborhood and to those who have long called it home...’
‘Uninformed?’ Let’s look at the racial “diversity” in Denver for a moment. It’s so brutally segregated that you’d almost assume that the people in that neighborhood had been originally forced to live there prior to your dumbassed hipster-coffee place showing up.
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  RandomBurnerdet-devil-ails
  11/28/17 11:32am
  But isn’t that sort of what anti-gentrifiers are really arguing? That things should stay segregated? Because let’s call a spade a spade... most of the time people are arguing against white folks moving into a traditionally black neighborhood. The people here dance around that, but that’s what most are saying even if they refuse to admit the truth.
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  det-devil-ailsRandomBurner
  11/28/17 11:38am
  No. It’s not.
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Ugh.Breanna Edwards
11/28/17 10:17am
Christ...I could smell the mustache wax wafting off of that sign. Hipsters are a goddamned plague. The whole “bohemian, fair trade coffee shop” thing kind of loses its appeal when there are four of them on one block.
The vandalism is, was, and continues to be stupid.
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BookOBaldylocksBreanna Edwards
11/28/17 9:45am
Man, it’s as if people are even more blatant and brash about their fuckery now that we have an administration that’s also blatant and brash about their fuckery.
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MimiRosieBreanna Edwards
11/28/17 12:25pm
One of the things that I hate about “pro-gentrification”:
There’s this... Belief... That the longest-residing, residents didn’t do anything, when it came to correcting the flaws in their communities, before gentrification happened.
As if the original residents were just lazy niggers that allowed thugs and rapists to destroy their communities and chase away the businesses. But then, it all changed for the better, once them good, clean, morally-strong white fo’ came along. It wasn’t until them white fo’ had gon’ down to City Hall and the po’lice stations and sent them to clean up the streets.
And now, dem lazy niggers should be pushed out because they deserve it for being so gotdamn lazy.
And you know what’s trippy?
The fact that I am hearing the “dem lazy niggers...Pure righteous, whypipo” fallacies from fellow black people. Black people, who are on the verge of being pushed out themselves.... Or, currently living in their (grand)parents’ bought houses so they’re “protected”.
They have never gone to a “Stop the violence” rally. Attend community meetings. Never experienced a situation where it had taken cops over an hour to respond to a scene. Or, to have cops compromise the safety of law-abiding citizens, because they publicly interviewed witnesses about criminal activities. Or, have politicians provide hollow promises and platitudes to the community.
But due to the fact that their ig’nit black asses can shop in a Whole Foods and buy an over-priced cantaloupe, everything is all honky-dory, according to them.
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⅔ of My Face is a CatBreanna Edwards
11/28/17 9:11am
Next up: (peacefully) downvoting all gentrifying businesses/real estate developers/condos regardless of whether they make a bad joke about it. Come to Austin, we’ve hundreds to choose from.
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  Cabbage Patch Mather⅔ of My Face is a Cat
  11/28/17 11:00am
  I’ve been to Austin on a number of occasions, and from St. Johns to East Sixth to Ben White- there don’t seem to be that many new places in that city to gentrify.
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  Ara_Richards⅔ of My Face is a Cat
  11/28/17 11:43am
  Jesus, there was once a time when Austin might have been a neat little town, but good god is it a Hellscape of hipster and yuppie buildings. It’s pretty much just a playground for the young and monied.
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Squib308Breanna Edwards
11/28/17 9:43am
Gentrification takes the soul out of places it affects, replaces it with high dollar shops and restaurants and housing, imho. It’s kind of like turning the ‘renewed’ areas into an expensive strip mall that doesn’t look like suburban strip malls, but looks and feels like every other gentrified city area in the country. Instead of Applebees and Walmart you get fancy restaurants and boutique shops. From what I’ve seen. And of course, a different crowd of people, if you get what I’m saying.
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  PenguinsftwSquib308
  11/28/17 10:46am
  And don’t forget, way less crime and a huge boost to the tax base.
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  skefflesPenguinsftw
  11/28/17 11:10am
  Less violent crime, but more tax evasion crime.
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