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AfroAngela Helm
7/18/17 3:46pm
I remember Trump being very against this
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  Admiral AsskickerAfro
  7/18/17 3:56pm
  The one true thing in this universe is that there is an old Trump tweet out there that is explicitly against this exact thing.
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  Sassinak11Admiral Asskicker
  7/18/17 4:11pm
  There is a trump tweet about everything if you look hard enough..
  Oh well.. boys and girls, just keep checking those check boxes on roll backs.. eventually we will get to the 1600's where they want.. (none of this democracy crap.. fiefdoms, serfs, and patriarchal/lord rights.. that’s what they want..freedom just gums up the works)
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CaveyAngela Helm
7/18/17 4:22pm
I am fluent in High Cookie Elf, so please allow me to translate.
With care and professionalism, we plan to develop policies to increase forfeitures. Because we don’t want to raise taxes to pay cops, those fuckers need to start earning their pay.
No criminal should be allowed to keep the proceeds of their crime. Except the really rich ones, they are likely to have just made a mistake.
Adoptive forfeitures are appropriate as is sharing with our partners. Remember, you can do this, as long as you send us a cut of the plunder.
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  Sorely VexedCavey
  7/18/17 4:28pm
  Yep. Give it a few years and they’ll have set up a nice little hierarchy of bribery throughout the civil service, just like any other banana republic.
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  poo javelinCavey
  7/18/17 6:30pm
  No criminal should be allowed to keep the proceeds of their crime. Except the really ~~rich~~ white ones, they are likely to have just made a mistake.
  FTFY…
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det-devil-ailsAngela Helm
7/18/17 4:33pm
They want to make asset forfeiture EASIER?
Here’s a real life example of how it currently works in some places:Let’s say you own a home. Now imagine your teenage son who lives with you is selling pot without your knowledge. He gets busted. The police can seize YOUR house.
Here’s another real life example: A small business owner in South Florida was evacuating because a hurricane was coming. She had loaded what she could in her car. She hadn’t made it by the bank on her way out of town, so she had her company’s cash-on-hand in a bank bag with her - several thousand of dollars. The cops pulled her over for a traffic infraction. They searched the car, and found the money (NOT DRUGS). They kept the money, because that much cash was “surely drug money.”
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  Malciredet-devil-ails
  7/18/17 6:30pm
  NVM
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  ArtistAtLargedet-devil-ails
  7/19/17 9:34am
  The list of outright theft by cops under the guise of forfeiture is so long it should have long since had politicians in the Hague on trial for crimes against humanity.
  That is NO exaggeration.
  Never forget, the U.S. is a police state and you better be tap dancing every waking minute if you don’t want to get fucked by it.
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MonteRioAngela Helm
7/18/17 4:32pm
I try to ignore Trump (as much as one can ignore the POTFUS) because if I got mad at every stupid/evil/ill-advised thing he did, I’d be in a rage 24/7. But this fucking guy? This fucking guy has me all:
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  ArtistAtLargeMonteRio
  7/19/17 9:40am
  Never forget he perjured himself. The top law enforcement man of a nation committed documented perjury.
  On is application FOR the position.
  Why the fuck people aren’t rioting in the streets is beyond me. But I always said it will have to worse before it gets better and the worst isn’t over yet.
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  Darmok eats Challah at 12NagraArtistAtLarge
  7/19/17 3:29pm
  I say we as citizens should hope to take his money as we make a citizen’s arrest. He’s gonna use that money for oxycontin and pecan sandies.
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PaulMooneysTongueAngela Helm
7/18/17 4:03pm
So basically, the ATM machine is open for all the cops and prosecutors, who are now incentivized (at least in 37 states) to take your shit and use it how they will, and we doubt it will be on body cameras.
This works so well for underfunded municipalities and folks who live in counties like Ferguson will pay dearly.
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  SktroopPaulMooneysTongue
  7/19/17 6:49am
  Body cameras??? We don’t need no steeeenking body cameras!
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det-devil-ailsAngela Helm
7/18/17 4:43pm
Well, well.. everything old is new again!
Reagan started this whole “What you catch, you can keep,” bullshit because he wanted to “step up” drug enforcement without funding it.
Sessions is a blast from the past.
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  Prostate of Dorian Graydet-devil-ails
  7/18/17 6:53pm
  Ronald Reagan was the devil.
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  det-devil-ailsProstate of Dorian Gray
  7/18/17 11:26pm
  Yep... And the Devil would be too moderate for the modern Republican Party.
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BiturbowagonAngela Helm
7/18/17 10:23pm
I don’t know how police seizure of property without due process can legally be a thing. I would think that there would be major Fourth Amendment issues, among other problems.
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  WyldeflowerBiturbowagon
  7/18/17 10:51pm
  Due process happens. When the federal asset forfeiture office seizes assets, they keep it ‘safe’ until the person is convicted. Only then can a federal district attorney request the assets to be forfeited. No conviction, no forfeiture. Assets are returned in the same condition they were seized.
  What this article is speaking to is the practice of sharing the assets once forfeited. (fed, state, local)
  State and local forfeiture of assets is can be very different.
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  FritzKekichBiturbowagon
  7/19/17 8:09am
  No there isn’t. The seizure is made because it’s the property that’s guilty, for lack of a better term. It goes back to early maritime law. If your house was the center of drug dealing, then the house is guilty, and as long as it can be shown — b y a preponderance, because its a civil action — that the house was in fact where the drugs were sold, it can be forfeited. There are various flavors of this....the tougher standard to meet is that the property has to be a direct result of the illegal activity, like you bought the house with drug money. But minimal connection is Constitutionally permissible. (“they sold drugs there for a month in the house you bought 25 years ago).
  The 4th Amendment isn’t implicated at all.
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karsultationAngela Helm
7/18/17 4:46pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/collection/stop-and-seize-2/?utm_term=.b1768932f548
Some helpful links when educating those that think this is a good idea....
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  Malcirekarsultation
  7/18/17 6:28pm
  Nvm
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mandarin10000Angela Helm
7/18/17 4:08pm
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SoapBoxcarWillieAngela Helm
7/19/17 11:10am
I don’t think you’ll find too many people that would argue that criminals shouldn’t be able to keep the ill-gotten gains of their crimes. But for Sessions or anyone else to apply that description to this situation is deeply dishonest. You don’t even have to be charged with a crime, let alone convicted of one, and they can initiate proceedings to take your shit away (although if you have the money to fight it, you’ll probably be fine). This seems like something that Sessions’ and all Republicans’ masters the Koch Bros should be very against, since this doctrine could (but probably won’t) could be applied to corporate assets in the event a company is suspected or convicted of of violating the law.
And in terms of incentives, the general idea that people will do what you pay them to do, and not do what you don’t pay them to do, this is terrible. Instead of focusing on violent crime and other more important matters of public safety, this will incentivize police to go after cases where forfeiture is likely to be successful.
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