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"Hachi"Maiysha Kai
7/18/17 10:24am
Maiysha, thank you very much.
The Root’s coverage of this over the past two days has brought to light the continued abuse and exploitation that Kelly has done on young women for decades. But it has also brought to light the very ugly side of his defenders, some right here at the Root. Coming up with every possible excuse so that they don’t have to feel guilty about listening to his music. These same people don’t believe that Bill Cosby raped those women. They’re the same people that think women are asking for it and shouldn’t have put themselves in that position because what else did they think was going to happen? What happened to you people that you refuse to take these women at their words?
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  Iamnotahobbit"Hachi"
  7/18/17 10:37am
  I’m guessing these feelings are buoyed by the fact that he has never been convicted of any charges. The same could be said of many of these examples. People believe there is a distinct line between someone who has been proven guilty in the criminal courts and those that have been acquitted/charges dismissed, when that line is much more hazy than it appears.
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  Thotline Bling: black girl supremacy"Hachi"
  7/18/17 11:07am
  I think there’s a general distrust of women within the black community where powerful black men are concerned.
  Look at how Anita Hill and Desiree Washington, (and countless others) were torn down when they came forward against Clarence Thomas and Mike Tyson? It’s always a conspiracy by “the man” and those lying whores are tools of the oppressor.
  Or how Alice Walker was ripped to shreds because of “how she depicted black men” in The Color Purple? Those critics weren’t outraged at the incest, rape, domestic violence, etc.!
  That’s why it pisses me off that people make light of that film and book.
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Thotline Bling: black girl supremacyMaiysha Kai
7/18/17 10:55am
DeRogatis has written hundreds of thousands of words about this. And of those I’ve read, none have stuck out to me more than the ones you quoted at the end.
“The saddest fact I’ve learned is nobody matters less to our society than young black women. Nobody.”
What does it say when a white male reporter reaches this realization before people within the community?
I am so fucking sick and tired of the black community (as a whole) sending a message to our girls and young women that they are not valuable and worthy of protection and being fought for through its apathy and perpetual state of denial.
I feel like “a voice in the wilderness” when I discuss the R&B Rapist because the excuses people use... I honestly can’t. I am emotionally and mentally exhausted. People can’t seem to comprehend that just b/c something is legal doesn’t mean it’s not immoral. Like, even putting his history aside, TF is a 50-year-old man involved in sexual relationships with teen girls?!
I will never, ever stop fighting for our girls, or any victims/survivors of sexual assault and abuse. But I can’t do this “conspiracy theory”/ “trying to keep a brother down”/ “oh well, these girls parents should know better” back and forth bullshit anymore.
I feel like I need to send Jim DeRogatis a bouquet or a thank you card or something.
He doesn’t believe in God, but he has truly been doing the Lord’s work staring into this abyss of sexual deviancy and abuse and continuing to sound the alarm for all these years, despite the fact that no one else seems to give a damn.
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  AngelaInDetroitThotline Bling: black girl supremacy
  7/18/17 1:15pm
  EVERY FUCKIN THING YOU TYPED!!
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  SharonThotline Bling: black girl supremacy
  7/18/17 4:31pm
  thank you for the idea to tweet him (which i just did) to thank him for his work.
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HuskyBroMaiysha Kai
7/18/17 10:14am
“The Black Community gives out way too many passes to people who really shouldn’t get them.”—Ray Lewis
Kick it!
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  Flatulist AssholeHuskyBro
  7/18/17 10:39am
  It’s the same mental gymnastics as MJ. “There was a lot of smoke, but we never found the fire”, and his music is Soooo good so I’ma just enjoy this moonwalk and never think about those kids he likely violated.
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  Thotline Bling: black girl supremacyHuskyBro
  7/18/17 11:08am
  All it takes is a talent that entertains us.
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In-A-Mazda-Da-VidaMaiysha Kai
7/18/17 10:11am
That video of his supposed captive was weird and strangely disturbing. It’s clear something isn’t right, and I believe her family that she’s in trouble. He’s obviously learned some lessons about protecting himself, and at this point he’s probably more dangerous than ever
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  "Hachi"In-A-Mazda-Da-Vida
  7/18/17 10:28am
  He’s been able to float by all this time. When that tape came out, that should have been it. But it wasn’t.
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  Petty Betty"Hachi"
  7/18/17 5:01pm
  I’m hoping this turns into a runaway freight train this time like it did with Bill Cosby and it thoroughly fucks up his life so bad that no one wants to work with him. Sadly though I think folks in the music industry will still accept things from him and just credit it under a pseudonym.
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Mzz DeBurgosMaiysha Kai
7/18/17 11:09am
R. Kelly is a lyrical genius!?! What’s the criteria for this? I’m genuinely curious now.
I’m honestly overwhelmed. These are truly trying times, and I’m not sure if my soul can handle it. But truthfully, I’m always so disappointed when I’m confronted with the fact that critical thinking is a skill that many people, seem to fucking lack. To make the assumption that a non-guilty verdict was rendered in this asshole’s case because he was in fact innocent is…something else. Like so much information in regards to the trial was readily made available to the public. It was well known that the many of the victims weren’t cooperating with the investigation, it had also come to light that this asshole was paying off his victims, they had testimony from (Sparkle?) who once dated this man and had learned at one point that he had taken advantage of her very young cousin(?)/niece(?). Ohh, and there was the VIDEO, that eventually surfaced to the public. And yet, you still have people like these parents believing that this man was innocent because he was not found guilty, as if juries always get things right. Sigh
I guess I’m just frustrated because I had made the assumption that everyone knew that just because someone isn’t found guilty doesn’t mean that they are innocent. When our justice system asks jurors to only convict if there is absolutely no doubt that the person standing before them is 100% guilty, it will not always be easy to say guilty. How many jurors have come out and said, while they believed the party to be guilty, unfortunately, the persecution team just didn’t build a good enough case… Sigh.
Also, money is one hell of a drug! To KNOW this man’s history, but also know that this man hasn’t had a hit in years, but still risk your child’s life just to gain access to money and fame, is truly something else.
Lastly, I’ve been saying this all year, but our society just doesn’t give a shit about Black women. And this reflects back in our very own communities. The fact that so many people –including many within our very own back yard- are so dismissive of the suffering and pain that this asshole has caused to so many young girls’ lives, but can’t give up on R. Kelly, because he is a music GENIUS -is fucking deplorable.
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Ugh.Maiysha Kai
7/18/17 10:15am
You stop buying their shit and/or supporting them in any way.
Dude is savvy enough to know how to stay at least an inch on the right side of the law. Dude has the power that he has because of the financial support his art has garnered. Either wait for him to slip up, or hit him in the wallet.
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j4x_Maiysha Kai
7/18/17 10:15am
I imagine the same reason so many other abusers get away with it. Because a stranger’s hypothetical suffering isn’t worth tainting all the happy memories people have with his music or cutting themselves off from access to the power/influence behind it.
It’s why people still don’t talk about how much time Michael Jackson spent balls deep in underage boys than bribed their mothers to go away.
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  Angrier Geekj4x_
  7/18/17 10:32am
  Oh, we tried just last week when there was an announcement of a Michael Jackson Halloween special. Immediately you’ll be descended upon by loons telling you they were all lies and Michael was just a good person who was beset by gifters.
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  j4x_Angrier Geek
  7/18/17 11:14am
  It’s hard, I get it! I end up rocking out to MJ on the radio, which is sometimes accompanied by a sense of shame.
  I mean, shit, he’s still the King of Pop.
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SistayogaMaiysha Kai
7/18/17 12:57pm
When an entertainer or any other predator is shown to be a predator, I really have no use for them. I’m someone who can be a fan of someone’s art/work, but as soon as I find out they’re out here abusing and preying on people, I’m done. Others have given me major side-eye because of this, but I really don’t care. There are those who tout separating the art from the artist, but my sense of morality won’t let me do so. Most of the time that “art” is a chronicle of the dysfunction that is driving the predatory behavior.
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det-devil-ailsMaiysha Kai
7/18/17 10:58am
“The saddest fact I’ve learned is nobody matters less to our society than young black women. Nobody.”
My take on this is an even sadder fact is that some young, black, women don’t matter to themselves.
These are adults that willingly put themselves in this situation. Cults (and cult-like social structures) have worked the same way since the dawn of cults - the members (victims) all lack the facility for self-love/care/esteem/reliance/etc of an emotionally healthy person. Instilling confidence and validating the inherent worth of a young person (girl or boy) neutralizes any “power” that a would-be cult leader (or gang, or pimp, or abuser, or shitty boss) would seek to have over them.
How do we change that? Thoughts?
I’d be interested in hearing, particularly from the young women here, what lesson(s) you learned as a kid that really resonated, and you carried with you into being a fully realized adult?
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  Rooo sez BISH PLZdet-devil-ails
  7/26/17 4:56pm
  You have to be willing to cut some people off. And make sure you have your safety net intact before you do it.
  http://www.theroot.com/1797278698
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SheeshTheseNamesMaiysha Kai
7/18/17 10:17am
“The saddest fact I’ve learned is nobody matters less to our society than young black women. Nobody.”
This is horribly, depressingly, achingly true. I so wish it weren’t.
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