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    STLOrcaJouelzy
    3/16/17 3:23pm

    The line about boxing in men’s sexuality in the black community strikes a chord with me: when I was a kid, the organist in our church was as gay as a Liza Minelli concert hosted by Elton John with Wayland Flowers as the warmup act. And nobody ever talked about it...in public. At the dinner table or at the barbecue? You better believe my relatives were talking about it.

    Of course, I thought Brother Roland (not his real name) was just flamboyant.

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      MonteRioSTLOrca
      3/16/17 6:03pm

      +1 for the Wayland Flowers reference. Nice!

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    PoorSluttyHeathenJouelzy
    3/16/17 3:37pm

    I tried to read this vaguely because if it’s not pushing religion then I’d love to see it. But if I’m going to watch it, it probably benefits from not being spoiled?

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      ZabellaPoorSluttyHeathen
      3/16/17 4:11pm

      IMHO Greenleaf doesn’t push Christianity, rather the church is the setting for the series. Not everything happens in the church but almost everyone in the family is involved with the church, and so it frequently makes appearances. I’m neither black nor Christian, yet I enjoy this show. It gives me a glimpse into a different way of life without insisting that this way is the only way.

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      JustPassingThroughPoorSluttyHeathen
      3/16/17 4:52pm

      I agree with Zabella that the show does not push religion. The characters are way too hypocritical to take their devotion seriously in any way. lol

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    JustPassingThroughJouelzy
    3/16/17 3:24pm

    I was watching this show the other day on Netflix while I was dying my roots (keeping it real). I hung in there (on episode 9) even though the premise of the show is preposterous.

    SPOILERS!!!!!!!

    Okay, so Grace moved back home to expose her uncle, Mac, who is a child rapist. A man who raped her own sister as a child. A man who sits at the dinner table and visits the family home daily.

    Grace moved back to the family home to expose this rapist...with her teenage daughter! In other words, she knew she was basically putting her own child in harm’s way to take this guy down.

    It’s admirable she wants justice served and wants a rapist to go to prison. It’s not admirable that she sacrificed her own daughter to do this.

    For this one fact, Grace has to be the worst character on the show. Yes, worse than her own parents who are partially blameworthy for not protecting Faith. At least her parents had the excuse that Faith told them she made the abuse up. What excuse does Grace have for allowing her daughter to have regular contact with a man she has believed is a child rapist for over 20 years?

    Anyways, I devoted too many words to this. Long story short - Are we sure this isn’t a Tyler Perry production? Because there sure is a lot of stupid going on.

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    BigPoppaSmurfJouelzy
    3/20/17 10:58am

    My biggest issue with Greenleaf is Grace. Merle Dandridge is such a bland actress that I still don’t buy her as this fiery preacher whose sermons bring all the donations to the plate.

    I am curious as to who Charity’s music producer(with his serious scarf fetish) is going to ed up putting the moves on...Charity or Kevin?

    I also am going to need them to get Oprah’s Aunt Mavis together so we can get her back to being the sassy and strong foil to Lady Mae because the drug and drink version of Mavis isn’t fun to watch.

    And as awful as Mac is I have to give Gregory Allan Williams props for his delivery of that line to Grace about how he has so much dirt on everyone that he could burn Memphis to the ground and walk away nothing but a warm breeze at his back. Mac makes a great villain and I am looking forward to the “Who Shot Mac?” murder mystery that is inevitably in this show’s future.

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    JennyGeils8675309Jouelzy
    3/17/17 4:34pm

    I stayed away from this show in the beginning thinking it would be an hour of proselytizing but I’m glad I got bored and started watching. There is so much messy drama here.

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    Alf-eeJouelzy
    3/16/17 8:39pm

    It’s a great show. From the very first episode when the two girls snorted crushed Ritalin pills, giggled, and said I “I love Jesus.”

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    operativeJouelzy
    3/16/17 9:37pm

    This show had more drama in the first 20mins of S1E1 then I’d seen in half a season of most other programs. Exhausting! HAHAH

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