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Flying Squid (I hate me more than you do.)Brendan O'Connor
8/10/16 8:41am
Hannity is going full-on crazy because he knows he’s going to be looking for work soon what with his vehement defense of his buddy Roger Ailes.
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  dothedewFlying Squid (I hate me more than you do.)
  8/10/16 8:43am
  With the implosion of Fox News and the implosion of the republican Party, this is turning out to be an interesting year after all.
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  MBCockFlying Squid (I hate me more than you do.)
  8/10/16 8:48am
  
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ReverandRichardWayneGaryWayneBrendan O'Connor
8/10/16 8:46am
There can be only one interpretation.

Donald Trump wants his followers to murder Hillary Clinton. He is finally coming to the realization that he is going to lose, and he cannot contemplate losing so publicly to a woman.

This will not be the last time Donald makes a “joke” of this nature.
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  Hieronymus ThrottlebottomReverandRichardWayneGaryWayne
  8/10/16 8:50am
  It’s safe to bet that the Secret Service has had a quiet word last night about making these kinds of jokes as they’re the guys who are going to be standing in the way of the bullets.
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  ReverandRichardWayneGaryWayneHieronymus Throttlebottom
  8/10/16 8:52am
  Somebody made that point on twitter last night...this is a guy who has had Secret Service protection for some time and presumably would value the men and women protecting him, yet without thinking put some of their colleagues in danger.
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JVBaseballSuperstarBrendan O'Connor
8/10/16 8:38am
I saw this posted on Twitter... Someone in the room clearly “thought something other than what he said.”

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  rlfletchJVBaseballSuperstar
  8/10/16 8:48am
  What about the scary peice of work next to him who thought it was hilarious?
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  JVBaseballSuperstarrlfletch
  8/10/16 8:51am
  I obviously don’t know because I wasn’t there and don’t know those people; but I’m guessing they both think it’s a joke, but he realizes it was a BAD joke.
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KaidogBrendan O'Connor
8/10/16 8:41am
There go the PC police, ruining another of Donald's hilarious jokes.
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  BorinutKaidog
  8/10/16 8:48am
  He should've at least started it with two NRA supporters walk into a bar.....
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  KaidogBorinut
  8/10/16 8:50am
  Right? The PC police demand good setup and a well-timed delivery.
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Low Information BoaterBrendan O'Connor
8/10/16 8:37am
Of all the conservative pundits, Hannity is my favorite because you can tell he actually believes the nonsense. Dude is dumber than a brain-damaged ostrich, but at least he isn't faking anything.
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  Alaska FrambopolousLow Information Boater
  8/10/16 8:41am
  +1
  
  Glenn Beck on the other hand is a clear fraud. Hopefully Saudi Arabia bankrupts him with their Boston Marathon Bombing lawsuit.
  
  And who uses a chalkboard these days? What a perv
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  ManushkaLow Information Boater
  8/10/16 8:55am
  True, you could see Billo gladly selling liberal schtick and taking about his immigrant Irish roots if the cash was right. Greta, etc too
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seeyaBrendan O'Connor
8/10/16 8:44am
An MP was shot in the face in the lead up to the Brexit vote. Whatever the fuck he was trying to say is dangerous.

And also, how does someone who babbles such nonsense end up so popular? Just reading his quotes gives me a headache. He is a terrible communicator.
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  flyingstitchseeya
  8/10/16 9:10am
  He’s actually a better communicator than he gets credit for: a few big, easily understood ideas (wall, law and order), a few dog whistles...he makes it all stick. At the same time, his fuzziness on details creates a big, blank canvas where dissatisfied people can project their hopes for a savior. He’s pushed it to its limits, but it was scarily brilliant while it lasted.
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  Phyrre567seeya
  8/10/16 9:10am
  He’s a rabblerouser. His supporters are not well educated. They’re angry and they blame everyone who is different from them (a very instinctual, uneducated response): immigrants, minorities, the educated, etc. All you have to do to get their support is say “FUCK THOSE GUYS.” The rest is just noise, you already won them over.
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X37.9XXSBrendan O'Connor
8/10/16 8:34am
Perhaps the mainstream news organizations stole the RWDS code book from Brietbart
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  Alaska FrambopolousX37.9XXS
  8/10/16 8:38am
  Guess I’m not in the loop considering I have no idea what your comment means, but I can say for sure that Trump is asking people both at his rallies and on his online webpage to murder Hillary. He’s even spreading rumors that she is responsible for Seth Rich’s murder. Ridiculous considering he was robbed. Trump should be in jail.
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  X37.9XXSAlaska Frambopolous
  8/10/16 9:05am
  RWDS is an acronym for Right Wing Death Squad
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/RightWingDea…
  
  The code book contains phrases like
  
  1. ‘Inner City’
  
  You can’t publicly say black people don’t like to work, but you can say there’s an inner-city culture in which generations of people don’t value work.” The goal here, he says, isn’t to demonize minorities—far from it—but to demonize a government that helps the middle class (and if the people Americans have historically associated with inner cities have to be used in the process, so be it).
  
  2. ‘States’ Rights’
  
  Totally innocent and nonracial, right? Not so much. López says we first heard this from Barry Goldwater, who was running on a very unpopular platform critical of the New Deal, during the 1964 presidential election. “He makes the critical decision to use coded racial appeals, trying to take advantage of rising racial anxiety in the face of the civil rights movement,” says López. In other words, while “states’ rights” is a pretty racially neutral issue, you just have to look at what was happening at the moment to realize that everyone knew it translated to the right of states to resist federal mandates to integrate schools and society.
  
  3. ‘Forced Busing’
  
  this phrase, which, on its face, was racially neutral, “the Northern analog of states’ rights,” which “allowed the North to express fevered opposition to integration without having to mention race.” After all, kids had been bused to school for quite a while. It was only when the plan took on a racial edge that it became controversial. Politicians didn’t have to say that outright, though—they simply dropped in the phrase to trigger resentment and gain supporters.
  
  4. ‘Cut Taxes’
  
  Dog-whistle politics is partly about demonizing people of color, but it’s also about demonizing government in a way that helps the very rich, says López. So, when Ronald Regan said “cut taxes,” what he was communicating to the middle class was, “so your taxes won’t be wasted on minorities.” A key Reagan operative admitted as much in an interview quoted in Lopez’s book, saying, ” ‘We want to cut taxes’ … is a whole lot more abstract than, ‘Nigger, nigger.’ ” It continues to be more abstract, and it continues to work.
  
  5. ‘Law and Order’
  
  This phrase, says López, is a way to draw on an image of minorities as criminals that was used by both Reagan and Clinton. He points to an inverse relationship in Congress between conversations about civil rights and criminal law enforcement. “What you see in the 1960s is that opposition to civil rights becomes ‘what we really need is law and order, to crack down’. ” Of course, the latter is less controversial and, at least on its surface, avoids the issue of race.
  
  6. ‘Welfare’ and ‘Food Stamps’
  
  Welfare, says López, was broadly supported during the New Deal era when it was understood that people could face hardships in their lives that sometimes required government assistance, and, in fact, was purposely limited to white recipients. In this context, it wasn’t heavily stigmatized. Fast-forward to the 1960s, when Lyndon Johnson made it clear that he wanted it to have a racial-justice component. “Then it becomes possible for conservatives to start painting welfare as a transfer of wealth to minorities,” says Lopez. Remember those Reagan speeches about welfare queens? Today, says López, we hear “food stamps” used similarly.
  
  7. ‘Shariah Law’
  
  We first started hearing about this alleged threat to American justice in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, when the Bush administration became intent on linking the war in Iraq to hijackers who were from Saudi Arabia. “To get there, you convince America that this threat is internal as well—new brown immigrants who are threatening the heartland,” he says. “A prime example is Kansas prohibiting courts from drawing on Shariah law—it’s not a threat at all. The point isn’t the reality; it’s the racial frame. The point is, these brown Muslim people are infiltrating our country, so be afraid, and vote for politicians who will support the right wing.”
  
  8. ‘Illegal Alien’
  
  This phrase, is a perfect dog whistle, which triggers fears about immigrants as criminals, taking advantage of welfare and disrespecting the American way of life. But somehow the concerns are always pointed at the Mexican border instead of the one we share with Canada. “It’s racial rhetoric about Latinos that is now being couched in this seemingly racially neutral language, and harnessed to support fear to get people to support conservative policies.”
  
  9. Second Amendment supporters (also #2A)
  
  See RightWingDeathSquad
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Gabrielle CyniqueBrendan O'Connor
8/10/16 8:52am
It just sincerely bothers me that the apologists overlook his use of the future conditional tense. Trump is obviously discussing events AFTER Hillary’s election, so this whole “mobilize the vote” thing is bullshit.

There are only four plausible explanations. Trump is advocating that second amendment supporters:

1) Shoot Hillary
2) Shoot her judicial appointees
3) Mount armed insurrection of some other type
4) Lobby the Senate not to approve her appointees

Now 4 is the least likely of Trump’s meanings, since I don’t think he understands how judicial appointments work, but THAT’S the hill to die on, not this nonsensical, non-tense-ical bullshittery about voting.
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  rockyoumonkeysGabrielle Cynique
  8/10/16 9:04am
  You give Trump’s grasp of grammar far too much credit. You’re technically correct if you look at what he literally said, but look at any speech of his....the tenses are all over the goddamn place.
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  TriplicateGabrielle Cynique
  8/10/16 9:06am
  I have a lot of family overseas as my dad emigrated to the US in the 70s.
  
  They are absolutely perplexed at how Trump was nominated. They have a higher opinion of the United States than most Americans have of their own home country. They assumed, wrongly I suppose, that Americans were politically literate and that is how the country maintained such stability.
  
  It isn’t the wealth or the military power that impresses people from other countries. It’s the stability. Its the smooth transitions from one government to the next, one officeholder to the next, at every level of American politics. Even other developed democracies have election chicanery that goes beyond what the US has. I’m only saying all this because that belief is now more or less gone. They no longer believe the United States is an exemplar of what I’d call “political maturity”, the shared belief among all candidates that you don’t even consider ANY undemocratic concepts like assassinating an opponent in order to gain office.
  
  What is a joke to Americans is absolutely terrifying and very real to a lot of non-Americans. Trumps repugnance to liberals is his appeal to so many of his supporters I guess, but this is a level of repugnance even beyond what I thought possible.
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wkiernanBrendan O'Connor
8/10/16 9:21am
His campaign staff, as well as supporters like Giuliani, are claiming that he meant:

“What he meant by that was you have the power to vote against her...” (Rudy Giuliani)

“Obviously you’re saying that there’s a strong political movement within the Second Amendment, and if people mobilize and vote, they can stop Hillary from having this impact on the court...”(Sean Hannity)

But that doesn’t make any sense, when what Trump said, word for word, was:

“Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish, the second amendment. By the way, and if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick, her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although the second amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.”

Now at a point in time when “she gets to pick... her judges” then she must obviously have already been elected by that time, so it would be too late to “vote against her” or “mobilize to vote.” So what exactly is that thing “the second amendment people “ can do that he refers to with “...maybe there is...”? What post-election action is he talking about? Are you going to tell me with a straight face that there is any other interpretation to his statement other than suggesting armed rebellion against the government?

I know, I know, it’s totally unfair to subject the words of Trump to the kind of logical analysis you use on ordinary rational speech. When a regular politician utters a sentence, we usually assume he supports and means to express the idea that ordinary English-speakers would understand that sentence to mean. But I don’t suppose this applies to Trump, who only uses words as a musician uses musical notes or a painter uses daubs of paint or a dancer uses dance moves: as means of expression of wordless, thoughtless emotions.

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  99Telep☺dpr☹blemswkiernan
  8/10/16 10:29am
  Given that he is running for POTUS his words and the way he expresses those words require the utmost logical analysis and just because Trump has the vocabulary and impulse control of a 4th grader doesn’t mean he should be cut any slack.
  
  We all treated him like a funny asshole who said stupid shit but now it’s not so funny because his rhetoric has become more and more desperate and dangerous.
  
  At this point if he was dog whistling, making a poor joke, or merely unable to adequately express himself, he cannot help but communicate abhorrent and incendiary ideas that will eventually lead to tragic consequences if he continues on.
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  Eboliwkiernan
  8/10/16 10:49am
  Trump Supporters: Donald Trump is a straight shooter, who tells it like it is and means what he says.
  
  People: Sounds like Donald Trump is advocating assassination of a political rival.
  
  Trump Supporters: Don’t be ridiculous, that’s not what he meant, he actually meant any of these made up explanations.
  
  It’s so ridiculous.
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HarrynWhitey4everBrendan O'Connor
8/10/16 8:41am
I love the Dick Van Dyke look alike in the red polo behind him mouthing, “Whoa!”. Pretty sure he interpreted it the same way most people did. The more he drops in the polls, the more dangerous the rhetoric will get. He will not go down without inciting some nutjob to do what he really wants, which is to take her out, Pocahantas too, maybe, just sayin!
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  Nigel OverstreetHarrynWhitey4ever
  8/10/16 9:07am
  Do you have any evidence that isn’t actually Dick Van Dyke?
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  HarrynWhitey4everNigel Overstreet
  8/10/16 9:08am
  Many people say that it is so....
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