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PoodletimeHannah Gold
8/07/16 5:50pm
It’s the tiniest violin in the world, and it’s playing in sympathy for the cops everywhere who hold that thin blue line, and refuse to turn in corrupt, death-dealing fellow officers. Ya know what you can take for depression? Antidepressants. Ya know what they don’t have a pill for? Being shot in the back by the police and having your head stepped on while you bleed out.

[scree-scree-scree! *sound of tiny violin playing*.]
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  Robbiev27Poodletime
  8/07/16 6:23pm
  Counterpoint: If I were a white cop in a city like New York or Chicago who was ordered to patrol a black area, I would just straight-up quit. Nothing good is going to come of it. Black communities love to be able to call 911, but when the cops get there, it’s always the same story: “I din’ see nuffin,” while looking straight at the shooter, or, “He good boy, dindu nuffin.”
  
  Fuck that shit. My vote is for all white people to quit any jobs in black communities that threaten their lives or well-being, which is most of them.
  
  Serious question: If you were a cop and were faced with this kind of shit every day, would you still want to go to work? If so, would you still be non-judgemental after say, a year, or even two years?
  
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  Mr.PeepersPoodletime
  8/07/16 6:43pm
  There’s a term for that. When you’re in an organization that commits crimes you know about but don’t tell authorities about. Criminal conspiracy. Aiding and abetting.
  
  A person charged with aiding and abetting or accessory is usually not present when the crime itself is committed, but he or she has knowledge of the crime before or after the fact, and may assist in its commission through advice, actions, or financial support.
  
  Can any cop say honestly they've never heard or seen a cop break the law? I should send a crate of razor blades to the union hq to help their depression.
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YttriumHannah Gold
8/07/16 10:41pm
It is unfortunate that things have come to such extremes.

The good always outweighs the bad. There are IMO more good Cops then bad Cops. I can see these good Cops being depressed, they are those that really want to get out and be a positive influence in the community and do good things. So to see such hate and vitriol directed towards them would be quite depressing.

It is unfortunate that the system (not all of them) protects the horrible culture that has permitted law enforcement. I have even more respect for the good cops, who through everything that is going on still go to work and try and do the best they can to show the true nature of law enforcement. It is unfortunate that the systems in place do not allow the good cops more protection to speak out against fellow officers who take advantage of the system (which presents a bit of irony given those that have often hated the police for so long and refused to talk to them because they did not want to be a “narc”, are now asking members of the police to be “narcs” against their own) It is unfortunate that the good Cops, now more then maybe ever have to go into work with even more uncertainty if they will be able to go home at the end of the day.

This whole situation is one of extremes on both sides. The level and degree of hateful and threatening langue directed towards the police only seems to grow. Actions should be taken, yes but when has violence for violence every worked, it is always a no win scenario, and always leads to more escalation.

Unfortunately extreme members on both sides of the issue have (at times) taken over the discourse. The level of escalation seems to be increasing and good people are being accused/injured/killed on both sides.

I truly believe that there are indeed individuals in law enforcement that reflect what Kelly is saying. However just like everything else that is being said on both sides, it cannot at this time be a blanket statement for everyone.

Citizens should be able to go out and not have to worry about law enforcement. Cops should be able to do their job and not worry about citizens. Until that time, blanket statements made by anyone (Kelly or people on either side of the issue) should not be used, because every day we see contradictions to these statements and it only further drives a wedge, preventing solutions.

I hate to use this but “it is always darkest before the light” and a large part of me does not think we have seen the darkest part yet, and that is truly frightening.
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  KittensInBoxesYttrium
  8/08/16 11:30am
  You know what? Every time we tell ourselves that there are “good cops” we enable this behavior.
  
  Because they’re all “good cops” until they aren’t.
  
  They’re all bad cops. Know why? because they have no choice. The system makes them bad regardless of their inherent goodness or their intent.
  
  I mean, it is absolutely certain there were “good men” fighting in the Nazi army, for the best example. However, we have to throw them out because even the best person can’t be “good” when the structures and creations of the system itself are so evil.
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  YttriumKittensInBoxes
  8/08/16 11:51am
  That is part of the problem. If anyone sees all cops as ‘bad’ regardless, then that is a bigger problem. An entire group should never be demonized, it is dangerous thinking.
  
  The opposite side of that would be the police seeing all members of the black community as bad because and as you put it “The system makes them bad regardless of their inherent goodness or their intent.” This is not a unidirectional issue.
  
  To take things to such extremes is a fallacy and an extremely dangerous one at that. Everyone is good and bad, just depending on what side of the line and where along the line the observer is standing.
  
  People do not always have to exists in extremes, believing in such and operating in such only drives people further apart and makes situations worse then they need to be.
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Endless Supply of CynicismHannah Gold
8/07/16 5:38pm
“myopic.” Kelly assured listeners that, “If there’s one group that’s concerned about black lives more than any other group it clearly is the police department, not only in New York City but really throughout America.”

For sure. Police are so concerned about black lives that they regularly stop black men for no other reason than to see how they’re doing.
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  TheLegalitiesOfEatingYouAreQuiteABitDicierEndless Supply of Cynicism
  8/07/16 5:56pm
  Thank you for posting this very basic truth that the so called “social justice” people always overlook. I’d wager that the NYPD has been more interested in, and more involved in, the lives of African Americans in NYC than any other organization (and that includes the NAACP).
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  IAmNotADamnWriterEndless Supply of Cynicism
  8/07/16 5:58pm
  And often shooting them to death, they’re so concerned. They give ice cream to some, though, so that’s progress!
  
  By the way, Ray Kelly, did I say “Oh, boo hoo”?
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GetBackHannah Gold
8/07/16 5:33pm
You know what depresses me? Being followed around Barney’s; being followed out of Macy’s; seeing my students arrested for not walking through the crosswalk fast enough; being arrested for picking up a purse that the cops planted; having my son and my nephew asked what they were doing in a neighborhood where no less than 4 of their relatives own houses. Also being shot, choked, beaten, wrongfully arrested.

Oh, and having Ray Kelly say “young men in Harlem love me.” Cause that one guy gave him a dap that one time...

Being black is exhausting.
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  Mr.PeepersGetBack
  8/07/16 6:32pm
  I loved leaving the house, taking five steps and having plain clothes in a car pat me down before I could get to my car. “You’re wearing a puffy jacket(North Face)“ passes for probable cause. Walking home from the grocery store? Converged on. In the center of three white men mid 30s guns out. A fourth comes over and pats me down with my arms full of groceries. I say nothing. They say nothing. They’re gone in ten more seconds.
  
  I guess I’m lucky they didn’t try to plant anything. I paid city tax equal to fuckin nystate tax for the privilege of that shit nonstop. Fucking scum have the nerve to utter the words freedom or liberty. And some say I’d be wrong to point a gun at them. American ethics.
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  uwsnycguyGetBack
  8/07/16 7:19pm
  You’re exhausted being black? Then why not do something to stop young black men from committing a disproportionate amount of violent crime in our country? The stats are mind-boggling. Police don’t go after little old ladies with a vengeance; they watch those most likely to commit the most crimes. It kinda makes sense. Do something about your brethren and things will change.
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Armageddon T. ThunderbirdHannah Gold
8/07/16 5:39pm
The only way I can acquire and sustain an erection is by pummeling hobos down by the railroad tracks. I hate it when shelters and methadone clinics disrupt my “routine.”

Ray Kelly, I understand your point. We’re like brothers.
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  torchbearer2Armageddon T. Thunderbird
  8/07/16 5:49pm
  Does it have to be down by the railroad tracks? What about the docks or the freeway? I would be depressed if I suddenly was on vacation in an area with hobos but no rail service.
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  Armageddon T. Thunderbirdtorchbearer2
  8/07/16 5:51pm
  I tried under the freeway overpass, but it was like kissing my sister.
  
  No thank you.
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1999Hannah Gold
8/07/16 6:12pm
you know, i am not one who thinks we shouldn’t have any police, or that random police officers should be shot bc of the ones that brutalize people, etc.but given all that has been brought to light starting with amadou diallo and continuing in whatever case will make headlines, this week (and there will be one), the words FUCK THA POLICE pop into my head when i read articles like this. FUCK THEM. Their culture of violence and lies and covering up of lies needs to go. And it has to come from the leadership. Glad guy, who is a huge part of the problem, is on the way out. Too bad the next guy will likely not be any better.
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  Mr.Peepers1999
  8/07/16 6:52pm
  Totally how I feel. I still get sad seeing some poor bastard in uniform dying in a shootout or traffic accident though. I have met decent ones. I almost flipped out on one for placing his hands on his gun talking to me because it was insulting. Dude was just scared cuz he couldn’t see in my truck and another trooper had been murdered recently. He didn’t even give me a speeding ticket. They aren't all savages but you wouldn't know it from how their bosses and unions talk.
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  JewelMisruleMr.Peepers
  8/07/16 8:00pm
  I say this as an older white woman from a law enforcement family (evidently I’m required to justify my opinion with regard to LE) - Ray Kelly you are part of the problem.
  
  Anyone care to take a stab at the name our illustrious LE community uses (to this very day) when referring to a bit of equipment we know as the baton? Anyone?
  
  I first heard the term 45+ years ago from my Police Chief father, his peers, superiors, officers, civilian contacts etc.
  
  The term is used, as I said to this very day.
  
  Your PR blitz is offensive, your public persona bears no resemblance to your roll call philosophy you son of a bitch.
  
  You’ve all become PR savvy yet you consistently fail to address the issues that continue to permeate every LE department/jurisdiction.
  
  The rot doesn’t ‘go to the top’ it begins at the top and always encompasses the department like a funk that won’t dissipate - it clings to your person, your uniform, equipment, locker, squad car, department - it’s become an embedded part of LE DNA. You live with it in and out of uniform - rotten to the core.
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HypnoToadHannah Gold
8/07/16 5:31pm
That’s probably true, Ray, but did you know that the families of the victims of police violence probably get pretty depressed too? It’s incumbent on those in uniform to be more professional in their approach to policing than those they oversee. Sorry, if you get nervous because a black man is lying on the ground, or in a choke hold telling you he “can’t breathe”, and choose to use your service weapon to “protect yourself,” you probably shouldn’t be carrying a gun and a badge in the first damned place. I’m so glad Kelly is gone, he’s a bad apple, as his son.
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MisterPigginsHannah Gold
8/07/16 5:33pm
Pretty sure riots do the opposite of depress cops.
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  TheLegalitiesOfEatingYouAreQuiteABitDicierMisterPiggins
  8/07/16 5:58pm
  “Riots don’t get me down. Riots get me off,” every city cop ever.
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Fred Garvin Male ProstituteHannah Gold
8/07/16 5:51pm
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  Duder81Fred Garvin Male Prostitute
  8/07/16 6:23pm
  Ewwww
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Flying Squid (I hate me more than you do.)Hannah Gold
8/07/16 5:58pm
Have there ever been a group in this world more sensitive and easily-hurt than the nation’s police force? If only there were some sort of group that could protect them from harm...
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  ScalfinFlying Squid (I hate me more than you do.)
  8/07/16 10:00pm
  The thing that really gets me is that this is the NYPD. Most of the protests have been about the department’s policies and practices. This isn’t like the BPD, which is mainly dealling with runoff from NYPD and shooting from out of state and hasn’t had any incidents itself (although BPD and surrounding city departments have been bitching about that).
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  brokenscopeFlying Squid (I hate me more than you do.)
  8/07/16 10:41pm
  White people in generally are pretty fragile.
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