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Flying Squid (I hate me more than you do.)Hamilton Nolan
7/27/16 1:38pm
You are so not fucking helping right now.

This sort of wonky bullshit is great for blog posts, but there are two options, a man who thinks the Geneva Conventions are both out-of-date and can be re-negotiated and Hillary Clinton.

At this point, I don’t really give a shit about corrupt politics the DNC has been dealing. I’ll care after the election and I sure as shit hope they are held to the grindstone once that happens, but Trump is not a sane person.

He. Is not. Sane. He is a madman.

He must be stopped at all costs.
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  RobertMadooFlying Squid (I hate me more than you do.)
  7/27/16 1:39pm
  “At this point, I don’t really give a shit about corrupt politics the DNC has been dealing.”
  
  This is an extremely dangerous attitude, and certainly not one to be proud of.
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  Flying Squid (I hate me more than you do.)RobertMadoo
  7/27/16 1:40pm
  Did you literally stop reading my post right there or did you ignore the sentence immediately after it on purpose?
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SarDeliacHamilton Nolan
7/27/16 1:44pm
From a strictly journalistic perspective: so fucking what?

Well, Mr. Nolan, one tiny footnote to this perspective is the person who benefits most from this scenario is exactly the one whose view of the press makes Thiel’s attitude and activities look like measured restraint.

So yes, feed the journalistic frenzy while you can, because if things go poorly, you’ll be clapped in irons and waterboarded for publishing anything remotely like this after Jan. 20, 2017.
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  Hamilton NolanSarDeliac
  7/27/16 1:47pm
  It’s crazy that we have to say this but: the press’s job is not “Defeat Donald Trump.” It’s to publish newsworthy things. The publication of newsworthy things contributes, in aggregate, to the public’s understanding of truth. The public’s understanding of truth will then allow the public to make an informed decision.
  
  If you want the media to actively conceal newsworthy facts for political ends, you do not believe in a free press, and you do not believe in freedom of information.
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  applestoregeniusbarwaitlistHamilton Nolan
  7/27/16 1:50pm
  Boy do you have a lot of faith in the public. Have you met us?
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BIMming ItHamilton Nolan
7/27/16 1:47pm
As far as I’ve seen, the story seems to be: An independent tried to run as a Democrat, and the establishment favored their candidate over him. To which I say ‘So fucking what?’.

Does the DNC owe a candidate anything? Are they supposed to be unbiased bastions of hope for anyone attempting to run? What if a Republican decided to run as a Democrat, would we expect the DNC to support them equally? In my opinion, the answer to all of these questions is a resounding no.

Bernie should have run as a 3rd party candidate. He didn’t, because he knew he would get more publicity and recognition running as a Democrat. Now that he lost, people want to complain about favoritism.
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  FoolMeDunceBIMming It
  7/27/16 1:50pm
  Except the DNC always proclaimed it was acting with neutrality. Your argument might hold up if the DNC had been open about what it was doing—-and said it was doing so because he wasn’t really a Democrat.
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  Sid and FinancyBIMming It
  7/27/16 1:53pm
  Just maybe planting seeds of stories like, “Let’s get the press to ask him whether he’s a Jew or an atheist in the Bible belt” is over the line, though?
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ReburnsABurningReturnsHamilton Nolan
7/27/16 1:43pm
Eh, I don’t know about that though.

Comparing the news value of the contents of the hack with the news value that a foreign power was willing to meddle in our electoral affairs is kind of tough.

Sanders probably would have lost, and it should come as no shock that an institution he blasted constantly on the campaign trail, and has never really been a great friend to over the decades, was biased against him. Sure seeing the receipts for that makes it impossible for people like DWS to play coy about it, but the net result of it all shouldn’t be too shocking.

Russia meddling in quite this spectacularly visible a fashion with our presidential election on the other hand? The implications on a global level of that are hard to tease out but they could be rather large.
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  pre-emptive sighReburnsABurningReturns
  7/27/16 1:44pm
  You know what country we live in right? Meddling in foreign electoral affairs is kind of our shtick. We’re literally the last country on Earth that can call shenanigans on this.
  
  Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)
  
  China 1949 to early 1960s
  Albania 1949-53
  East Germany 1950s
  Iran 1953 *
  Guatemala 1954 *
  Costa Rica mid-1950s
  Syria 1956-7
  Egypt 1957
  Indonesia 1957-8
  British Guiana 1953-64 *
  Iraq 1963 *
  North Vietnam 1945-73
  Cambodia 1955-70 *
  Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
  Ecuador 1960-63 *
  Congo 1960 *
  France 1965
  Brazil 1962-64 *
  Dominican Republic 1963 *
  Cuba 1959 to present
  Bolivia 1964 *
  Indonesia 1965 *
  Ghana 1966 *
  Chile 1964-73 *
  Greece 1967 *
  Costa Rica 1970-71
  Bolivia 1971 *
  Australia 1973-75 *
  Angola 1975, 1980s
  Zaire 1975
  Portugal 1974-76 *
  Jamaica 1976-80 *
  Seychelles 1979-81
  Chad 1981-82 *
  Grenada 1983 *
  South Yemen 1982-84
  Suriname 1982-84
  Fiji 1987 *
  Libya 1980s
  Nicaragua 1981-90 *
  Panama 1989 *
  Bulgaria 1990 *
  Albania 1991 *
  Iraq 1991
  Afghanistan 1980s *
  Somalia 1993
  Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
  Ecuador 2000 *
  Afghanistan 2001 *
  Venezuela 2002 *
  Iraq 2003 *
  Haiti 2004 *
  Somalia 2007 to present
  Honduras 2009
  Libya 2011 *
  Syria 2012
  Ukraine 2014 *
  
  https://williamblum.org/essays/read/ov…
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  ReburnsABurningReturnspre-emptive sigh
  7/27/16 1:48pm
  Yep.
  
  When that happens many people in that country consider it a big deal and are understandably mistrustful of the people we choose to support.
  
  Remember, we’re talking newsworthiness here, not whether America has a right to be morally outraged at Russia for engaging in this kind of meddling.
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Dave Hamilton Nolan
7/27/16 1:37pm
If ONLY we could cover them as two equally important news stories! My GOD wouldn’t that be amazing? /Snark

Yeah, that the DNC was biased is a big fucking deal, page Claude Rains to be shocked for us all. But that Russia is pulling Watergate level shit to influence our elections so brazenly, that might just be something we want to talk about.
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  BIMming ItDave
  7/27/16 1:42pm
  Especially in light of a Presidential candidate requesting that foreign nations spy on his rival...
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  Tejón FaceDave
  7/27/16 1:43pm
  yeah what about a narrative where two important facts aren’t “competing” with each other in some kind of weird battle for relevance. I can consider the active bias of the Democratic Party bad AND the intervention into our political process by a foreign dictator/ human rights violator bad AND keep breathing and circulating blood and digesting food all at the same time!
  
  One of the advantages of being a sentient human and not a fucking amoeba.
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╰(　´◔　ω　◔ `)╯< Woke and BokeHamilton Nolan
7/27/16 1:43pm
Thank you for pointing out the obvious, to you and me (and other clear-minded Bernie supporters): the whole system is corrupt and should be brought down on the heads of the People (not you and me and other clear-minded Bernie supporters, mind you) but all those other suckers who believe in “democracy.” They are, to a man, all idiots in need of a good and hard lesson.
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  Archer>Picard╰(　´◔　ω　◔ `)╯< Woke and Boke
  7/27/16 1:46pm
  Only a white guy could write such bullshit.
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  ╰(　´◔　ω　◔ `)╯< Woke and BokeArcher>Picard
  7/27/16 1:48pm
  Factually, you are correct, as are my assertions.
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j4x_Hamilton Nolan
7/27/16 1:51pm
Hamilton, as the date of your unemployment draws ever closer, your articles are becoming increasingly full of shit.

No one, anywhere, is arguing that it shouldn’t be reported on.

Quite a few of us are concerned that a Russian spy agency is actively interfering with our elections in a coordinated manner and quite possibly have deep financial hooks into a POTUS nominee running on a platform of white nationalism and aggressive foreign policy.

Some of us are concerned because little shit-pots like you, who’s only job is essentially to piss people off to drive page clicks, are pushing literal conspiracy theories about the DNC from these emails.

Remember, this is one of the same idiots who though posting the Hogan tape was a good idea. Now he’s comparing domestic whistleblowers on civil liberties to foreign governments attempting to tamper with elections using questionable information.

Enjoy the Gawker sell-off, I’m certain you’ll end up on your feet at a comprable outlet.

Wonder if Buzzfeed or Vice is hiring?
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  Sam Giancana's Neighbor in Oak Park, Illinoisj4x_
  7/27/16 1:56pm
  dudes not gonna get hired at either buzzfeed or vice
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  j4x_Sam Giancana's Neighbor in Oak Park, Illinois
  7/27/16 2:06pm
  Because he’s written several articles shitting on them both.
  
  It was a not-subtle jab.
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RobNYCHamilton Nolan
7/27/16 1:35pm
You’re drunk Trump.
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  SlickWillieRobNYC
  7/27/16 1:39pm
  It’s the heat. It’s hot as fuck in Philly right now, although today not so much. So yeah, maybe drunk.
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  ╰(　´◔　ω　◔ `)╯< Woke and BokeRobNYC
  7/27/16 1:40pm
  Rude. This is the revolution we wanted to bring to the Democratic party. Maybe it didn’t play out the way we wanted it to, via an election, but everyone makes mistakes. It is up to us to learn from them and the lesson here is that civilization, at bottom, is nothing but a colossal swindle. So to the grifter goes the spoils.
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GeorgeGeoffersonLivesHamilton Nolan
7/27/16 1:55pm

Any stick to beat a horse, though, right? lol Russia’s probably trying to directly influence our presidential election, but the real news is that the DNC maybe wasn’t crazy about a independent trying to hijack their party’s political apparatus for a presidential run and a complete reconstruction of their party, right? Vladi Poots is one of the biggest thugs in the world, but DWS was mean to Bernie so that matters more, right?

Get. the. fuck. out. of. here. with. that. bullshit. lol

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Honestly, this is white privilege personified. It’s white privilege of steroids. The primary’s over, baby. Your hote take is bad, and you should feel bad.
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  ycranger77GeorgeGeoffersonLives
  7/27/16 2:09pm
  + 1000 Bernie tears
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  GeorgeGeoffersonLivesycranger77
  7/27/16 2:15pm
  It’s what happens when you’re a hyper-partisan fanboy for a particular candidate in a primary. I don’t expect them to report on primaries like the mainstream media, but damn, have some kind of objectivity. Like I said, the minute it was pretty clear Bernie wasn’t going to win this (and that was months ago, now), they probably should have just taken the loss and moved on to something else.
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smellslikeassHamilton Nolan
7/27/16 1:46pm
What a fucking idiotic take on this situation. “Yeah its more important someone else does my job for me because i am too clueless to do it myself, and lets ignore the fact that a foreign power is trying to steal our presidential election....because...well its NEWS...yeah thats the ticket”.

Stupid idiotic hipster entitled logic
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  Akardysmellslikeass
  7/27/16 1:53pm
  If Russia is behind this how are they both “stealing your election” and doing your journalists jobs for them?
  
  “You’ve corrupted our free and fair elections by accuratly informing the public about the goings on of one our political parties”.
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  smellslikeassAkardy
  7/27/16 1:57pm
  Gee I don’t know, maybe the fact that we have hacks of only one party might be a clue here?
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