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Ricki Spanish HarlemBrendan O'Connor
7/27/16 8:41am
Russian shenanigans aside. I hate that most of the media is calling this a leak as if some employee at the DNC was a whistleblower. The DNC had its information stolen along with personal information of donors. Assange basically admitted to wanting to hurt Clinton’s chances and time this dump to coincide with the convention. He’s using Wikileaks outside of its supposedly “noble” purpose and interfering with an foreign governments election. Where’s the outrage from the left?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/…
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  ScalfinRicki Spanish Harlem
  7/27/16 8:54am
  I think most of it is that there’s no sign that anything in the leak was fabricated or withheld, so it functions as an accurate window on events no matter what the source and motive.
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  Palliser7Ricki Spanish Harlem
  7/27/16 9:14am
  What’s to be done? It’s one thing to show anger at a government agency with whom we have ties and another to spend time railing against asshole fugitive who has no accountability.
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Dave Brendan O'Connor
7/27/16 8:16am
Well, if the Kremlin says it’s true, that is good enough for me!
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  El-C0rnh0li0Dave
  7/27/16 8:27am
  I for one am shocked - SHOCKED to think that the Kremlin might be anything less than forthcoming. If anyone needs me, I’ll be clutching my pearls.
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  IAmNotADamnWriterDave
  7/27/16 8:32am
  “Nope, it wasn’t us. Next question?”
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ThePriceofEggsinMaltaBrendan O'Connor
7/27/16 8:25am
I can’t help but wonder, even if it was proven that Russia hacked the emails, if it would affect anything. The partisan tone has reached such a fever pitch, how many voters would this sway?

Hell, if Putin came out and held a joint press conference with Trump announcing his responsibility for the hack and his support of Trump’s candidacy, Trump would still maintain a big hunk of his core. As long as Putin didn’t phrase it as “I want this man president so your country is weak and easily manipulated,” a large portion (majority? Plurality?) of Trump voters would rationalize it as they’ve rationalized everything else (“even them reds don’t want crooks Hillary in power! Vladimir just wants to help make America great again, and Donald done made him a deal!”) and move on.
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  Tuxedoed Flobee UserThePriceofEggsinMalta
  7/27/16 8:27am
  It is true, the misinformation loop is so tightly secured that one can easily write off 30-40% of the country given any development.
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  ReverandRichardWayneGaryWayneThePriceofEggsinMalta
  7/27/16 8:35am
  For core Trump supporters, nothing will change their minds. However, I have a hard time seeing independents moving towards him particularly after this affair. Hell, most Republicans I know (small sample) will either be not voting or voting for Hillary.
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Violent FellowkneesBrendan O'Connor
7/27/16 8:33am
It’s not that Putin is in cahoots with Trump, it’s just that it would be in our enemies’ best interest for the country to be run by a blithering idiot. By simply nominating Trump, the GOP has already exposed the Achilles heel of democracy, which is the potential for the masses to elect demagogic idiots. More specifically, it’s totally rational for Putin to try to get Trump elected given his comments about pulling back from NATO’s security guarantees. The USSR couldn’t have hoped for this in their wildest dreams.
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  borbertViolent Fellowknees
  7/27/16 8:46am
  It would be nice to know how much money Trump owes to Russian financiers though, which I guess would probably come out in his tax returns, if he released them.
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  TimF101Violent Fellowknees
  7/27/16 9:11am
  Yep, zackly. I would add that Trump could be and probably is completely oblivious (always a safe bet), but Trump’s top people needed the Kremlin for work before and they likely will after in the likely event that Trump loses. They definitely won’t find a job in American politics.
  
  So for example I highly, HIGHLY doubt that Trump demanded that platform change about Ukraine. But someone did.
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Low Information BoaterBrendan O'Connor
7/27/16 8:26am
“GRU was entirely too busy orchestrating Olympic doping program. They are not good multitaskers."
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  X37.9XXSLow Information Boater
  7/27/16 8:49am
  That was the FSB
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jul…
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  Low Information BoaterX37.9XXS
  7/27/16 8:52am
  It’s not a coincidence that we call them red herrings.
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TRUMP DELENDUS EST (fka Chatham Harrison)Brendan O'Connor
7/27/16 8:28am
Chickens coming home to roost. I’m not remotely happy that this attack may swing the election and the presidency to Donald Fucking Trump, but maybe now we’ll realize that using intelligence services to meddle in other countries’ civic discourse has an unquestionably poisonous effect. Even that is probably too much to hope for.
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  DavidPuddyTRUMP DELENDUS EST (fka Chatham Harrison)
  7/27/16 8:55am
  Preposterous. It’s perfectly fine when the West meddles in other countries for its geopolitical benefit. What are you, a communist?
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  NavTRUMP DELENDUS EST (fka Chatham Harrison)
  7/27/16 9:27am
  I usually agree with you, but here you’re being a bit twee. There is no basis to the notion that “if we didn’t do this, neither would they.” International relations is a Hobbesian state of nature; Russia gon’ Russia whether we're saints or sinners.
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GumbyDammit!Brendan O'Connor
7/27/16 8:52am
The major media, most of whom are in HRC’s pocket, are falling over themselves to distract from the DNC emails by instead focusing on who did the hacking, as if that was the slightest bit relevant. The US has a long history of hacking other nations and interfering in other nation’s elections, but it’s the end of the world if Russia hacked the DNC and stole their emails? That’s all I’ve been seeing for the past two days, Russia Russia Russia, when the real story being buried is DNC corruption DNC corruption DNC corruption.
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  TheDramaLlammaGumbyDammit!
  7/27/16 9:44am
  The US has a long history of hacking other nations and interfering in other nation’s elections
  
  Citation needed. I call bullshit
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  OnlyOneNerveLeftGumbyDammit!
  7/27/16 10:31am
  I actually do think a foreign entity trying to manipulate US elections is actually a bigger story. Two wrongs don’t make a right and it shouldn’t be a surprise US News would care about US interests. The DNC story was a big story for a few days. What they did was highly unethical but wasn’t actually illegal and the head of the committee had to resign because of it which does complete a narrative that the media is always looking for.
  
  I think also what this election cycle has shown is that the DNC has about as much power over the election as the RNC. Bernie did way better than anyone expected but even his own press secretary said the DNC favoring Clinton did not affect the outcome. I think it didn’t last as long as you wanted because it surprises no one and it didn’t make any difference. I understand why Bernie supporters are upset (I was one of them). It should change but that doesn’t keep people’s attention. New cycles naturally moves on. Hell, the DNC story got about as much time as the average mass shooting.
  
  However, Russia interfering in US elections, that is big, or at least juicy, story especially given how close some members of Trump’s campaign are to Russian interests. If there is any connection (juicy!), which I actually think there probably is not a direct one, that would be bigger than Watergate.
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ironic_usernameBrendan O'Connor
7/27/16 8:46am
It doesn’t bother anyone that the establishment media is changing the narrative from “look how the DNC manipulated the primary” to “look at the Russians manipulating our elections” with zero proof?

Did the Russians write those emails, too?
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  Cyrils-cashmere-sweater-vestironic_username
  7/27/16 9:33am
  Probably because in the end the DNC didn't change the outcome. Sure it was sleazy that they weren't impartial but Clinton was always going to be the nominee.
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  GrumpyEagleironic_username
  7/27/16 9:53am
  It’s actually kind of funny that the Russians would be complicit in helping to find emails to shock the American people with tales of backroom and other nefarious political dealings. After all, if there’s one thing that Russia is known for is clean, transparent politics marked by idealism and fair tactics.
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medrawtBrendan O'Connor
7/27/16 9:13am
For everyone who seems unperturbed by the idea that the Russians might’ve hacked the DNC to obtain the emails (after all, the emails themselves are true!): maybe that’s where it stops, with a little obnoxious fuckery. But what if that’s not where it stopped? Or if they do more in the future? What if they messed with DNC’s GOTV data? They presumably could have.

And yes, the US has a history of interfering with other country’s democratic processes. It’s bad! We shouldn’t have done it! We shouldn’t do it! And we should be angry if some other country does it to us.
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  cruise-controllermedrawt
  7/27/16 9:58am
  After Stuxnet, USA doesn’t have any moral high ground.
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  medrawtcruise-controller
  7/27/16 10:03am
  After Stuxnet? After spending the last hundred years meddling in democratic processes in South America, Africa, and the Middle East the USA doesn’t have any moral high ground. I still get to be angry if Putin is trying to fuck with our elections.
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kamla deviBrendan O'Connor
7/27/16 8:28am
CONSPIRACY THEORY:

Melenia is the brains behind the Trump machine and is secretly pulling the strings for Putin to get Trump in office and RUIN THE UNITED STATES!

We’re perfectly good at ruining our own country, thanks.
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  99Telep☺dpr☹blemskamla devi
  7/27/16 8:47am
  
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