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    CharitybHannah Gold
    7/23/16 3:37pm

    I’ve never understood why being born in the past is cited so commonly as a reason for bad behavior. Are we supposed to believe that Roger Ailes never learned that sexual harassment is illegal? Even if he doesn’t agree, he must have at least heard it before. Unless Ailes somehow traveled forward instanteously from the Mad Men era to 2016 he can’t really hide behind the “Oh, I didn’t know that it wasn’t 1955 anymore” thing.

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      bugsmaruCharityb
      7/23/16 3:47pm

      well. wait 30 years and see for yourself. I mean, you’re using devices, and wearing cloth that was made with slave labor in third world countries, and your relationship to that fact is as casual as Roger Ailes is to sexual harassment. Do you really not foresee a possibility the next generation will finally get hip to this and call us out for being the monsters that we are? When this happens you’ll find out why being born in the past is cited so commonly as a reason for bad behavior.

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      Charitybbugsmaru
      7/23/16 4:04pm

      That’s a mendacious and frankly ridiculous argument in my opinion.

      Even if you agree that sexual harassment was not considered wrong in 1955, it clearly is considered wrong in 2006 (which is when Megyn Kelly alleges that he harassed her) or in 2010. There are laws against it in the books, almost every major corporation in the country has policies around it, and most people who are accused of harassment deny it strenuously — indicating that they at least know that society thinks that it is bad.

      I’m not condemning him for having bad treatment towards women in the distant past when those kinds of behaviors were widely tolerated. I’m condemning him for what he did now. You can't hide behind historical attitudes to explain away present day conduct.

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    Flying Squid (I hate me more than you do.)Hannah Gold
    7/23/16 2:54pm

    I don’t think he was thinking [what he was saying] was really all that bad.

    Please, give generously to fight the tragedy that is affluenza.

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      Endless Supply of CynicismFlying Squid (I hate me more than you do.)
      7/23/16 3:00pm

      I’m thinking about starting a fund to raise awareness.

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      Babe BennettFlying Squid (I hate me more than you do.)
      7/23/16 3:16pm

      Okay, remind me what the difference is between these guys and the Islamic fundamentalists who believe that if a woman steps out of her house without two male relatives escorting her and five layers of cloth covering her body she’s asking to be raped.

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    TRUMP DELENDUS EST (fka Chatham Harrison)Hannah Gold
    7/23/16 3:05pm

    You can learn a lot about someone by knowing whether or not they see Don Draper as a hero or a villain.

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      Sean BrodyTRUMP DELENDUS EST (fka Chatham Harrison)
      7/23/16 3:23pm

      It should be as acceptable to excuse your behaviour with Mad Men as it would be to walk around always dressed like the Fonz.

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      Paranoid Android (sometimes says dumb things)TRUMP DELENDUS EST (fka Chatham Harrison)
      7/23/16 3:45pm

      I’m still not convinced that John Hamm is a handsome man. I feel that I consider him handsome because everybody else keeps telling me he is.

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    The Ghost of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ AKA BabyStepsHannah Gold
    7/23/16 3:39pm

    This makes sense to me. I am currently watching Mad Men and it reads like a documentary that charts the last gasp of WASP hegemony.

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      1PompadourThe Ghost of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ AKA BabySteps
      7/23/16 4:33pm

      If only it were the last gasp. At the highest levels of corporate management, where the power is, it is alive and well. I work with CEOs all the time, in Silicon Valley and elsewhere, in large global corporations and in startups and everything in between. I have yet to see a CEO who is not a white male, Melissa Mayer at Yahoo nothwithstanding. Even when the technology was developed by Indians or Asians, the CEO is a middle-aged white male. Sales and marketing, where I work, is a little more flexible, but executive management of those divisions is almost uniformly white men. They like to hire each other, is what’s going on. They aren’t into being enlightened or fair, they want their familiarity and comfort zone. I see a lot of talent wasted too because many of the whites are just not up to the job.

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      Gamebuff3The Ghost of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ AKA BabySteps
      7/23/16 6:40pm

      I know it sounds dangerously close to shaming the victim, but I don’t see how someone could go to work at Fox News and not expect the kind of thing Ailes was doing. It’s like going to work at a strip club and being upset the customers are only interested in how you look. Fox News sells misogyny and that doesn’t make it right, of course.

      Carlson didn’t get where she was based on her Stanford degree - she routinely acted the part of buffoon with Lumpy and Dipshit on the couch next to her. Then she didn’t do anything about it until it cost her her contract. Although I am exceedingly pleased in it getting Ailes out, I just hope not having a paranoid slug beast (after Rupert puts someone in place) at the top might mean some sanity is injected. One can dream.

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    Endless Supply of CynicismHannah Gold
    7/23/16 2:59pm

    MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

    Women with their rights and whatnot...this used to be a nice place to live.

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      Lord Acton's LibraryEndless Supply of Cynicism
      7/23/16 5:42pm

      MAKE BEING A MAN GREAT AGAIN! Which could also be phrased: MAKE BEING A WOMEN SHITTY AGAIN! And not to worry, in no time no one will care about their shitty opinions anyway. /s

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      TheLarchEndless Supply of Cynicism
      7/23/16 8:09pm

      I was hearing “Burn the witch!”. Especially Hillary, but uppity women in general, too.They’d come for me pretty quickly...

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    NewsBunnyHannah Gold
    7/23/16 4:41pm

    This is an insult to Roger Sterling.

    Let’s call Ailes who he is: Pete Campbell.

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      Galeria Nacional de ClipArtNewsBunny
      7/23/16 5:10pm

      Does that make Shep Smith into Bob Benson?

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      NewsBunnyGaleria Nacional de ClipArt
      7/23/16 5:14pm

      He is obviously Sal.

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    tornadoslackssHannah Gold
    7/24/16 12:46pm

    So my mom worked as a secretary at a TV station in the early 60s where Roger Ailes was one of the whippersnapper up-and-comers in management. The whole place was exactly like “Mad Men,” the men working there would take every opportunity to try and “feel the girls up.” She doesn’t remember Ailes being particulary handsy (she said he was a tiny man back then and was newly married), but other dudes (including one high up producer still in the business) were awful. An on-air host who later had a national afternoon talk show was completely respectful which she always appreciated. My mom was married and a bad ass so they left her alone, except for one time she got trapped on a stairwell by an famous old-timey comedian who tried for a grope. She successfully rebuffed him with a shove and ran up the stairs away from him.

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      LRonsCupboardtornadoslackss
      7/25/16 11:12am

      I feel like the polite talk show host would be Phil Donahue. Am I right? I would like to think that.

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    hensterHannah Gold
    7/23/16 3:01pm

    They are acting like all he did was call women “doll” and “babe” instead of telling them to service him sexually if they wanted to advance.

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      TheLegalitiesOfEatingYouAreQuiteABitDicierHannah Gold
      7/23/16 3:00pm

      Breaking News: ISIL disavows responsibility for Roger Ailes. “Some shit is just a bridge too far even for us, bro,” a clearly shaken spokesman muttered.

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        Fresh Courage TakeHannah Gold
        7/23/16 3:05pm

        “Never trust a man who wears a tie bar.” (A. Lincoln.)

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