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JeangenieAndy Cush
7/13/16 1:48pm
What I don’t understand is when people throw around statistics about X or Y group commits a certain percentage of the crimes so it makes sense to target them, that they don’t understand how circular that all is. The statistics are based on arrest statistics and if we are targeting or profiling, then of course the numbers will reflect that. For example, arrests for marijuana or public drinking. Do we really think there is a racial difference in the numbers of young people participating in that? Or is the focus more on urban street corners versus frat houses? Or bonfires at the quarry?
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  Andy CushJeangenie
  7/13/16 1:49pm
  Bingo.
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  JamesLawhorneJeangenie
  7/13/16 1:51pm
  You may be correct about minor infractions, but make no mistake - the stats for headier crimes, such as homicide, are indeed correct.
  
  Or are you prepared to make the case that murder cases are typically resolved by throwing any young black man in jail? Lo, are all the inmates indeed innocent? They will tell you so. Are you suggesting they are honest men of real integrity? I disagree.
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MizJenkinsAndy Cush
7/13/16 1:43pm
Very proud and grateful for the personal risk this man is taking to force the truth into the light. This is how you protect and serve the people in your communities.

Thank you thank you thank you.
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  philaDLJMizJenkins
  7/13/16 2:02pm
  Reminds me of the good works of NYPD officer Adrian Schoolcraft.
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  Andy CushphilaDLJ
  7/13/16 2:07pm
  Yep. Birch mentioned Schoolcraft specifically, said the reason he didn’t come forward with the tape sooner was because of what happened to Schoolcraft.
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TRUMP DELENDUS EST (fka Chatham Harrison)Andy Cush
7/13/16 1:27pm
Rating a law enforcement officer’s performance by how many arrests they make is like rating a baker’s performance by how many pounds of cake they bake. It’s a formula for a whole lot of shitty product.
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  ArturoTRUMP DELENDUS EST (fka Chatham Harrison)
  7/13/16 1:33pm
  Or basing a teacher’s performance on how many kids pass the class.
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  Dave TRUMP DELENDUS EST (fka Chatham Harrison)
  7/13/16 1:36pm
  Yet remains the single most common metric. I was very briefly a supervisor toward the end of my time in uniform and had it explained to me: Numbers prove he DID something. We don’t care if Office Joe Blow is good at defusing tensions or hugs babies on the beat, we can’t count that. Give us arrest stats to justify his paycheck.
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Dave Andy Cush
7/13/16 1:30pm
I’ve actually heard it said about officers who practiced color blind policing that they were cowards. The theory, as espoused by the rank and file over adult beverages is a cop who “only stops whites” is afraid to get his ass kicked, so won’t stop the “real” criminals. (Anecdotal evidence is not the same as proof of racism, just some shit I heard other cops say when I was still a cop.)
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  Sean BrodyDave
  7/13/16 1:35pm
  That’s what I’m reading into it.
  “You only have the balls to confront women”
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  Dave Sean Brody
  7/13/16 1:38pm
  You have to realize how much of law enforcement is dick measuring. They issue you a tape measure in the academy and you need be able to whip it out any time, anywhere. You do NOT want to be thought of as, coming up short. (pun intended)
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QuadPoleAndy Cush
7/13/16 1:24pm
This is what happens when law enforcement budgets are tied to money from fines. Quotas are specifically illegal in many states, but we all know that is BS when the department needs funding.
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  GogogadgetanythingQuadPole
  7/13/16 1:26pm
  Someone has to fund their pension plan. It doesn’t grow on it’s own.
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  Flying Squid (I hate me more than you do.)Gogogadgetanything
  7/13/16 1:31pm
  Isn’t that supposed to be the taxpayers?
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Sean BrodyAndy Cush
7/13/16 1:30pm
Looking for an “innocent” explanation, what I’m getting is the Capt wants him to target people he think will ‘pop’ (I’m assuming that means outstanding warrants) and if half his collars are female, he’s what? afraid to confront black men (who the historical data say jump more turnstiles - I’m guessing).

Sounds fucking awful though.

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  IBeforeEExceptAfterCSean Brody
  7/13/16 1:36pm
  Sort of. What I got from it was that since the captian believes male blacks and male latinos are more likely to “pop,” they should be stopped much more often instead of just stopping everyone regardless of race. It’s not about stopping people who are doing wrong at that moment, it’s about trumping up ways to specifically stop people who, according to this shitbag’s idea of race-based statistics, are more likely to have outstanding warrants so his department’s arrest numbers can look better.
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  CrazyJoeDevola1Sean Brody
  7/13/16 1:37pm
  He’s saying he believes blacks and Latinos commit more crimes and thus are more likely to pop on a summons.
  
  He’s telling him to quite wasting his time writing summons to non-black and Latino males; essentially ignore offenses committed by females, whites, Asians, etc.
  
  In other words, apply the laws differently for black and Latino males than other demographic groups.
  
  It is a massive violation of the 14th Amendment.
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Jordan CatalanoAndy Cush
7/13/16 1:35pm
I have black friends. And I’m telling you this ain’t the way. Follow me y’all.

So check it, last weekend was seriously one of the greatest times of my life. We were getting crunk af all over town and protesting and doing shit I ain’t done since high school man we were straight up vandalizing property because the polices is vandalizing my rights nahmean? You know how we do.

Me and four of my homies were driving around town going to parties and drinking beers and trying to get tail. We were also smoking marijuana and selling it too because we are on a paper chase at all times. By 3AM we had broken so many windows I don’t even know. We were also very crunk by now and swerving all over the road and we actually did hit a tree at one point, I think. It could have been a mailbox or a human. Something that wasn’t road happened upon our vehicle. In any case it is over with now.

And by 330AM we were lit up boi! The world was ours and we were free in it. At 330 in the morning you don’t need to be a legit baller, the stores are closed. You just need some good buds, good tunes, and a ton of beer and weed. We had it all, and we were having the time of our lives. But then, WOOP WOOP. Shit, Jamal. I thought we dropped your drunk ass off already.

But no, Jamal was still in the car and that’s why we got pulled over. Jamal, is a black man. The cop saw Jamal and decided to pull our car over for the purposes of a racist inspection. He found more than he was looking for. Not only did he nab our good buddy Jamal for the crime of being black in a car, but he nailed Todd [driver, my old buddy fornever - inside joke] for a DUI and me for possession of narcotics because I had a lot of cocaine on me. Epic buzzkill.

Do I blame Jamal? A little. But mostly I blame the police. They stopped us for a racist inspection and in the course of their investigation tacked on a couple other charges. I’m pretty sure this is entrapment btw.

So, what is the point here. Well, there are a couple.

1) Going to hang out less with Jamal. Sorry Jamal.

2) 100% of cops are racists and their job is to be racist actually.

3) Last weekend was hella good imo except for the Jamal shit.

4) Protesting is fun as hell and I want to do it more often.

5) Bernie endorsed Hillary. Man, I love Bernie. Def voting Hills.
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  Olivia Wilde's MurkinJordan Catalano
  7/13/16 1:38pm
  I kept waiting for the punchline but it never came. I want my minute back, dick.
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  Peregrinus3046Jordan Catalano
  7/13/16 1:39pm
  Jesus Christ, you’re Try Hard Prime. You’re like a fucking Voltron of try hard.
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IkerCatsillasAndy Cush
7/13/16 1:42pm
What’s up with this wording?

“male blacks”
“female Hispanic”

It’d be one thing if there’s supposed to be a comma in between those words that they’re just not vocalizing (“female, Hispanic, etc.”). But the fact that they’ve pluralized “male blacks” makes me really uncomfortable. Race should be an adjective that describes a person, not a noun that defines them them.
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  clackerIkerCatsillas
  7/13/16 1:48pm
  It’s standard police talk. Gender first, race second. My guess is it’s because it’s the easiest and quickest way to identify subjects.
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  IkerCatsillasclacker
  7/13/16 1:54pm
  But when police departments send out bulletins about suspects, they don’t call them “A male black;” they’ll call them “a black male.” I get that the inversion is easier shorthand, but to ignore which is the adjective and which is the noun is pretty dehumanizing. Like saying that someone is “a gay.”
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The Alvin Greene DreamAndy Cush
7/13/16 1:35pm
I can’t imagine what the day-to-day must be like for Birch at his precinct. This is exactly what we want the “good apples” to be doing. He (and the few others like him) deserves the highest praise for this.
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  ARP2The Alvin Greene Dream
  7/13/16 1:47pm
  He’s scorned and not supported. He won’t ever get promoted and his life might be put in danger, when cops decide they’re going to take their time getting to him, or won’t put in full efforts to assist him.
  
  This is why only “a few bad apples” argument is BS. The entire system supports those bad apples.
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  The Alvin Greene DreamARP2
  7/13/16 1:58pm
  This is why only “a few bad apples” argument is BS. The entire system supports those bad apples.
  
  Absolutely. My idea of a “good apple” is not a cop who just refrains from personally jacking up brown people in order to meet quotas. That’s just doing your fucking job correctly, okay? A “good apple” is the type who’ll actively call out the bad cops, along with the internal policies and pressure from management which exacerbate the problem. It is, unfortunately, not enough just to not be the guy perpetrating bullshit. The code of silence is a huge part of the problem, too.
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BCDFGAndy Cush
7/13/16 2:06pm
Pedantic, but follow me here:

The TAB in question stands for “Transit Adjudication Bureau.” Tickets issued by the transit police aren’t dealt with by county courts; the MTA is its own standalone jurisdiction, although the police are (mostly) NYPD these days.

Why it counts? A precinct commander concerned in juking the stats would want “pops” or warrants that send the suspect to a precinct or central booking. A TAB ticket that just goes for fare jumping that’s just fare jumping would just go to the MTA for its accounting (done via the Transit Police commander to the MTA Board), and which probably wouldn’t help a commander’s case at a review of COPSTAT numbers (which are precinct based) or with creating ties with a D.A. (who doesn’t see the case).
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  kickinthedoorBCDFG
  7/13/16 3:39pm
  Love that your post reminds me of this:
  
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  DriveByCommentsBCDFG
  7/13/16 8:54pm
  That’s what I get.
  
  They really don’t give a shit about a transit violation beyond it being a reason to provide the excuse to look for other items that they do care about.
  
  Their focus is on outstanding warrants - not turnstile jumpers.
  
  I’m sure the frankness of this conversation is that this officer had frequently lagged on items that they can get credit for, so his bosses were getting frustrated which led to this conversation on how to find the warrants.
  
  By no means does it make it right or not racist - but kind of how it’s baked into the department goals.
  
  I’ve been pulled over a few times to basically be checked for DUI - there was never a valid reason to pull me over except the time of day and location of where I was driving - every time I was sober ......... if I were drunk though, I’m sure they would have come up with some reason for the initial contact.
  
  That is what the metro stops are - initial contact to find something larger - this guy wasn’t finding larger at a high enough rate and was simply enforcing metro
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