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    bachelorpodLauren Evans
    7/02/16 3:32pm

    I realize it’s no longer in the DSM, but Borderline Personality is the apt descriptor here. If you encounter one, run. That’s all I’m sayin’.

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      jinnibachelorpod
      7/02/16 3:36pm

      Borderline Personality disorder is not in the DSM, anymore?

      If my understanding is correct, persons who suffer from BPD suffer from an inability to regulate their emotions and the ‘vulnerable’ type of narcissism. The case above rather seems like clear cut sociopathy.

      And then I wonder whether empathy and compassion are fast becoming relics of the past....

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      jinnijinni
      7/02/16 3:39pm

      Kinja, these enormous blank spaces between sentences are wholly unnecessary. Please take us back to where we were before.

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    Queen of BithyniaLauren Evans
    7/02/16 3:49pm

    Something about her shitty little face makes me even more convinced she should be found guilty.

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      UpsAndDownsEvenForBigCatsQueen of Bithynia
      7/02/16 3:56pm

      It looks like she’s clearly faking an innocent, sad face. Compounding the awfulness of that, I get the feeling she’s confident she’s pulling it off. She comes across as incredibly manipulative.

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      britt93Queen of Bithynia
      7/02/16 4:17pm

      The fact that she’s citing the First Amendment makes me want her to be found guilty. THAT’S NOT HOW THAT FUCKING WORKS YOU TRASHBIN.

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    justasweettransvestiteLauren Evans
    7/02/16 3:40pm

    This girl can fuck right off. I had an ex tell me to kill myself when I was struggling. This shit is unacceptable.

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      MissPooslie7justasweettransvestite
      7/02/16 4:02pm

      like how can you ever tell somone that? Mr Pooslie had an ex that went of the rails after they broke up and he ended up getting a call from her therapist (he was her only in-town in case of emergency person) that she had left a frightening message and she was scared that se was going to self harm but her address wasn’t up to date and she wasn’t answering her phone. so he went over to her place (just down the street) and she was OK* but he said he never wanted to go through that fear again.**

      *she ended up being hospitalized shortly after for a little while to get her depression meds under control

      **this statment actually was the only thing keeping me from hurting myself 2 winters ago. i couldn’t put him through that.

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      marojajustasweettransvestite
      7/02/16 4:04pm

      glad that person is the ex and that you’re still here.

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    ElBow73Lauren Evans
    7/02/16 3:49pm

    I don’t know how to feel about this. On the one hand, yes, she is awful and definitely has some responsibility for his suicide. On the other, based on the description of Massachusetts law, it appears that all of the time and money spent on bringing her to trial has no chance of actually resulting in a conviction.

    Perhaps the act of bringing her to trial will make it apparent that this sort of behavior is socially unacceptable regardless of the actual verdict. It’s a sticky wicket for sure.

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      unicornzElBow73
      7/02/16 4:03pm

      I imagine that she knew it was socially unacceptable but did it anyway- maybe because it was?

      I'm curious about her mindset/reasoning/lack there of, and the nature of their relationship.

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      ElBow73unicornz
      7/02/16 4:11pm

      I almost feel like this is an extreme version of a teenager learning about/playing with being manipulative. I’m not trying to imply that this is normal behavior, but I could be a bit of a dick to boys when I was that age and sometimes played with their emotions just because I was exploring what kind of power I had in those kinds of relationships. Thankfully people grow out of that- I realized very quickly that playing with other people’s feelings is terrible.

      I don’t want to absolve her of any responsibility- again, what she did was terrible. I guess I, too, am just trying to understand.

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    anisa-typesLauren Evans
    7/02/16 3:38pm

    I remember when an Indiana woman who was pregnant committed suicide because the father of the child-to-be abandoned her. She survived but her fetus did not. She was charged with murder, the father-to-be was not.

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      SheeshTheseNamesanisa-types
      7/02/16 3:41pm

      She should not have been charged with murder, but that doesn’t mean he should have been, either.

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      anisa-typesSheeshTheseNames
      7/02/16 3:45pm

      He should have been if it’s a crime to cause someone else’s suicide. Remember Tyler Clementi?

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    jinniLauren Evans
    7/02/16 3:29pm

    “Friend” is not the apt descriptor here.

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      Ginger Is A Constructjinni
      7/02/16 3:35pm

      Other articles have even implied a more romantic involvement. What cruelty and betrayal from someone that he trusted.

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      Butter Nutter Milkshakejinni
      7/02/16 3:45pm

      I was coming down here to say this.

      This girl was no friend at all.

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    No-Mi SkyeLauren Evans
    7/02/16 4:01pm

    She looks like she really doesn’t understand why she’s there and why she’s being prosecuted. She doesn’t see it. Won’t see it. Scary chick.

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      Gaudy Mouse Muad'DibNo-Mi Skye
      7/02/16 4:29pm

      Maybe she absolutely does realize it and is trying to play the innocent sweet girl victim game.

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      LemurLadNo-Mi Skye
      7/02/16 4:35pm

      She absolutely knows and understands, that’s why she tried (badly) to cover up her involvement when she found out he was dead.

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    NixQuesoLauren Evans
    7/02/16 3:59pm

    When I was 13, an older girl at school whose boyfriend was the guy I had a crush on would call me on the phone and tell me to kill myself (and would throw out some ideas, as well). Finally my Mom picked up the phone and heard it, and reported it to the school- they did absolutely nothing about it.

    Before her freshman year started and I was about to start at a new school, she shot herself. She clearly had some major issues.

    Sometimes I wonder if the school would have taken action- maybe told her father what she was doing, then maybe she would have gotten some help. I was put right into therapy. I still, even though I have worked for years in mental health, cannot understand just how cruel children can be to one another- and that is why I steer way fucking clear of working with adolescents. Fuck no.

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      incandescent_blueNixQueso
      7/02/16 4:17pm

      Oh, god, I’m so sorry that happened to you. I hope the therapy was helpful, and you’re mostly over it.

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      NixQuesoincandescent_blue
      7/02/16 4:24pm

      Thank you :)

      The only thing I really think about now is I can’t believe it happened when we were that young. It was... god, 18 years ago now? Much more has happened since that I have had to deal with. Since then I’ve definitely been the “friend to go to when there is a mental health crisis or when someone is suicidal”. And I’m mostly ok with that.

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    ShadyfreudeLauren Evans
    7/02/16 5:47pm

    What she did was no doubt awful. But this sets terrifying precedent. If I text you that you should murder somebody, am I liable if you do? How much of what we say in our private text conversations can be held against us? (To say nothing of the fact that she’s clearly mentally ill herself.)

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      tavellaShadyfreude
      7/02/16 6:47pm

      Well, she went a good bit beyond just that. She instructed him how she wanted him to do it, and bullied him until he brought the materials. Then she was actually on the phone with him while he was in the car, and told a friend later he had actually gotten out of the car and she told him to get back in.

      There is quite a lot of territory between a generic ‘go kill yourself’ and listening to someone gasp their last breaths in the suicide you planned.

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      Classicblanca FilmShadyfreude
      7/02/16 7:12pm

      Yes, if you tell somebody to murder somebody you’re liable for murder. It’s not a “private conversation” at that point, it’s called a hit.

      ...I feel like as a grown ass adult you should know this already.

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    BurlyqLawyerLauren Evans
    7/02/16 4:48pm

    Now I’m not defending the end result at all, just trying to pathologize: is there a possibility she legitimately believed she was helping him? Does her intent matter, especially since it’s an involuntary manslaughter charge?

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      TravelgrrlBurlyqLawyer
      7/02/16 5:29pm

      Nah, she was on a big power trip, controlling him. She BADGERED him for months to kill himself, including demanding he get back in the car where carbon monoxide fumes were overwhelming him. (After he got out and texted her, saying he didn’t want to die. She also posted things on Facebook saying how sad she was that he was dead, before his suicide.

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      foldableBurlyqLawyer
      7/02/16 8:17pm

      I seem to remember that she had a history of depression and suicide attempts, so it’s not impossible. There certainly seemed to be an element of, if you will, dying vicariously.

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