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    prollynotBobby Finger
    6/28/16 5:39pm

    Not sure I see the annoyance about this here. IF we assume this report is worth anything, then it shows that men spend more time at work and in leisure because women spend more time on chores and WAY more time on childcare. That sounds about right.

    I don’t see the point of making assumptions on top of that about productivity which is not relevant to this anyway and has more to do with the job environment. Every second of my waitress and teaching work was productive and busy. Now my online work, I goof off for large chunks of the day. I think it would be hard to make wide gender-based assumptions about this sort of thing.

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      Bobby Fingerprollynot
      6/28/16 5:47pm

      Because studies like ones that say men spend more time doing paid work than women and that women spend more time doing housework than men almost always lead to misleading headlines—like the ones I linked above.

      My assumptions about productivity are exactly that: assumptions. The point is that tracking time spent at work is pretty worthless without also quantifying the amount of work done.

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      Lana, Lana,...LANAAAAAA!!!Bobby Finger
      6/28/16 5:51pm

      That’s not a problem with the study, it’s a problem with the media.

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    Angelica SchuylerBobby Finger
    6/28/16 5:38pm

    tbh, the headline screaming about time in the office just makes me think about the work martyr men i work with who will stay put until 9pm watching youtube videos just to say that they did.

    meanwhile, i’m probably at home. working.

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      CEFADlovahAngelica Schuyler
      6/28/16 5:41pm

      Work martyrs are the woooooorst. Take a break! It will be okay!

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      Angelica SchuylerCEFADlovah
      6/28/16 5:46pm

      right! plus, i have never been impressed (by the quality or volume of work produced) by any person who was eager to tell me how much he or she worked.

      sit down, do your shit, get out of here, be a person, come back, do it even better. don’t make your job your life or you’ll start to hate both*

      *learned that one the hard way

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    JujyMonkey: Clever tagline goes hereBobby Finger
    6/28/16 5:46pm

    If you can’t do your job in 8 hours, then you’re jobbing poorly dudes. I get in, do my shit, make some dumb dadjokes on Jez, then split to get JujyJr and make dinner/do errands at 5pm.

    Boom! Work/life balance.

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      prollynotJujyMonkey: Clever tagline goes here
      6/28/16 5:48pm

      That’s nice for you. Not all jobs work that way. Try to imagine that different experiences exist.

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      SehanperdidoJujyMonkey: Clever tagline goes here
      6/28/16 5:52pm

      LOL. What is your job?

      Isn’t one of the most common complaints that not enough women are in high paying (and high responsibility/high stress) jobs? This is because more men are in those jobs. Those jobs probably take more time that whatever it is you’re doing.

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    TamTamsBobby Finger
    6/28/16 5:51pm

    SHOCKING!!

    GIF

    It makes total sense that women would spend less time at jobs that pay them than doing housework/childcare because that’s pretty much how dominant American culture operates.

    I agree with some of the other comments too; there’s really no need for the productivity value judgment on men. I’ve known some lazy ass women who get fuck all done at work. Who knows if we’re being more productive or if we’re just bouncing from work on time to go pick up kids or make dinner or whatever while the dudes stay at work getting more done before tomorrow.

    ETA: Maybe you’re right and we are more productive. But that doesn’t mean this study doesn’t illuminate an obvious disparity in the amount of time people do things. I don’t think this study feels worthless at all. The results are a bit obvious but not worthless.

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      Ivan's SisterTamTams
      6/28/16 6:01pm

      Bingo. My first thought on reading this was “well sure, they’ve got to leave work on time to go pick up the kids, run errands, etc.” I know it’s not always the mom doing this, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was a high enough percentage to make a difference in results.

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      kemperboydIvan's Sister
      6/28/16 6:25pm

      The two people in my office who always leave at 5pm are both single mothers, I don’t begrudge them, they come in earlier than me so they can leave so early.

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    HarvestMoonBobby Finger
    6/28/16 6:24pm

    Especially during fantasy football season. Men are in the office for long hours every day, but mostly scouting and trading players.

    (Hey Bobby, why am I now grey on Jez? And can you restore me? I've committed no crime.)

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      SnookitinaHarvestMoon
      6/28/16 8:14pm

      I try not to post on Kara’s stories because she’s pretty quick with the ban hammer if you say anything she doesn’t like. it doesn't even need to be anything bad

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      HarvestMoonSnookitina
      6/28/16 8:15pm

      Seems you may be on to something.

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    Lizabethie: of the New WorldBobby Finger
    6/28/16 5:41pm

    If they got their acts together, it wouldn’t take the men longer to do what women achieve in 42 less minutes!

    There’s a trope that has a kernel of this truth, “if you want something done, ask a busy mother.” I used to spend leisurely evenings at work because I could, but I also had several hours of socialization in there. Now, my time is more focused but it also makes me less upwardly mobile. (So much to do with gender norms and the truth of who does what at home, as outlined in the article.)

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      Lizabethie: of the New WorldLizabethie: of the New World
      6/28/16 5:47pm

      I’ve been Kinja’d! My whole comment is:

      If they got their acts together, it wouldn’t take the men longer to do what women achieve in 42 less minutes!

      There’s a trope that has a kernel of this truth, “if you want something done, ask a busy mother.” I used to spend leisurely evenings at work because I could, but I also had several hours of socialization in there. Now, my time is more focused but it also makes me less upwardly mobile. (So much to do with gender norms and the truth of who does what at home, as outlined in the article.)

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    Want a Taste of Religion? Lick a WitchBobby Finger
    6/28/16 6:48pm

    Well I might work more if I got paid the same for my job. lol No, in all seriousness I work part time while my husband is full time, but that’s because I watch our kids while he is at work because daycare costs a shit load. And even with everything I do my husband still had the gall to use the phrase “I do more than my fair share around here.” During a fight- Bitch please, in a household and a family that sentence is not even a thing. We need to stop pitting time at work against time spent at home (cooking, cleaning etc..etc..), one is not more valuable than the other.

    The “report” is just bull shit.

    Edit: There are lazy men and women so we shouldn’t assume men need the extra 42 minutes because they can’t get the work done. I work with women who spend most of their shift goofing off while I get the same amount done in half the time. I do think this article explores how even as far as we’ve come women are still expected to do more with their kids and around the house then men. My mom works full time and so does my dad, he still expects her to do all the cooking and the cleaning.

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      KwitcherbichenWant a Taste of Religion? Lick a Witch
      6/28/16 7:24pm

      My twins start all day kindergarten in the fall and I will start working part time. The one thing I’m dreading about it is the inevitable fight with my husband when I tell him to put down his goddamn phone and clean something - anything. There’s so much housework that he doesn’t see right now - 3 kids make a lot of messes and eat a lot of meals/snacks. It’s going to be an adjustment. Eventually it’ll all be good - we both worked full time for a year after our first was born and things were mostly equal. But 2 more kids and 7 years of habits mean things will be rough.

      All that to say, I understand your “bitch, please."

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      BArchKwitcherbichen
      6/29/16 2:22pm

      I just want to wrench the phone out of my husband’s hands sometimes. I admit, I look at mine too, but on the two days he picks up our 18 month old from daycare she’s usually watching Bubble Guppies and he’s playing on his phone and dirty dishes sitting on the counter. He doesn’t cook them dinner so much as he heats up leftovers from the previous night or makes easy mac. He has never once bathed our daughter. And he never gets up with her though we share the bedtime duties. Hopefully there will be less inequity when I’m busy with baby #2 this fall.

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    annoyedjoanBobby Finger
    6/28/16 6:34pm

    I would be interested in comparing that 42 minutes stat to the percentage of men who poop at work vs women, and the time they spend doing it.

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      Takahashiannoyedjoan
      6/28/16 8:49pm

      It takes me fewer than five minutes to poop! What the hell are they doing in there? I always assumed jerking off, looking at porn, texting or all of the above.

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      LeighWTakahashi
      6/28/16 9:42pm

      If their building has wifi, it’s porn or cam-sites. There are a ton of guys who like “being bad” (jerking off) at work

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    FIGJAMBobby Finger
    6/28/16 6:46pm

    Oh “Time Diaries”, that explains it for the men like me.

    Reported:

    • 8 hours working
    • 1:30 hour having sex
    • 2 hours commuting
    • 00:15 eating lunch
    • 1:45 exercising
    • 00:30 eating dinner
    • 2 hours watching TV
    • 6:30 sleeping

    Actual:

    • 4 hours working
    • 00:10 having sex
    • 2 hours commuting
    • 1:15 eating lunch
    • 00:15 exercising
    • 01:30 eating dinner
    • 4 hours watching TV
    • 1 hour masturbating
    • 9:50 sleeping
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      Bridget101283Bobby Finger
      6/28/16 10:45pm

      More like men spend 42 minutes in the bathroom pooping more than women per day. What is it with men and pooping for so long?

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        Dinosaurs and Nachos, girlfriend!Bridget101283
        6/29/16 10:47am

        2 minutes pooping and wiping. 40 minutes taking a break. (No minutes washing hands.)

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