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    WhatthefoxsaysHamilton Nolan
    6/28/16 11:16am

    I love it when white people tell me that racism doesn’t exist anymore and point to Obama as proof.

    Just shut the fuck up.

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      LangostaWhatthefoxsays
      6/28/16 11:23am

      How do you explain the achievement of Asian-Americans if you think that white people are holding other races back?

      Not trying to stir the pot. Just curious.

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      WhatthefoxsaysLangosta
      6/28/16 11:28am

      Racism is not the same thing as “holding other races back.” A cop who pulls over black drivers as a matter of course is not holding blacks back, but he sure as shit is racist.

      Also, pointing out the relative success of Asians is the biggest horseshit counter-argument to racism.

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    Sean BrodyHamilton Nolan
    6/28/16 11:15am

    54% of white Republicans believe the country has already made the changes necessary for blacks to have equal rights with whites.

    The implication is of course that the lower economic position of black people is then entirely black people’s fault. System’s working fine and dandy apparently.
    I don’t even want to continue mining that fucked up seam of thinking.


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      phunkshunSean Brody
      6/28/16 11:22am

      The funny thing is...an appropriate number of changes technically have been made. The problem is the window for easy acquisition of assets and the beginnings of generational wealth has already closed.

      Black folk are fucked unless they get really really lucky.

      White underclass people are also fucked unless they get really really lucky.

      The white underclass is beginning to understand this, although it’s going to take a generation to come full circle.

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      BobbySeriousSean Brody
      6/28/16 11:22am

      EXACTLY. The thing people don’t always realize is that Republicans can’t believe in racism.....because if systemic racism exists, than logically that would mean that they were born with an advantages, a leg up, and that doesn’t fit their world view that they are where they are because they are superior, period.

      Likewise, when they see themselves losing ground, it can’t be their fault, or the fault of their white Republican leaders, it must be because of those inferior races and their liberal leaders.

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    Myrna MinkoffHamilton Nolan
    6/28/16 11:21am

    While I certainly won’t quibble with the idea that white Republicans are living in a fantasy world when it comes to race (or many, many other issues), there is a bit of a disconnect between asking if blacks have “equal rights” and then using income/net worth as a measure of “rights.”

    In a very literal sense, blacks have equal rights. (How well enforced/protected those rights are is an entirely different story.) Income inequality is a related, but separate, issue from “equal rights,” at least as someone taking a survey is probably going to interpret it.

    tl;dr: Yes, white Republicans trend racist, but I don’t think these survey results a great example of that simply because the wording of the questions was imprecise.

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      MC20Myrna Minkoff
      6/28/16 11:24am

      Agreed, on paper for the most part we are all equal. In practice, far from it.

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      signofzetaMyrna Minkoff
      6/28/16 11:25am

      I personally tend to think that racism is way too focused on in society. Not because I don’t think racism is an issue, but I think racism is sensationalized by the media and encouraged in society to shift the focus of economic inequality.

      Whenever there is a wage gap between the wealthy elite and the average citizen, ethnic scapegoating is used, which creates hostility and tension between the poorest members of society. It’s hard for everyone to votes for their own common interests when they hate each other.

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    Annie from the Grog BoothHamilton Nolan
    6/28/16 11:13am

    If anyone has to sit through family functions with a Republican, this really doesn't come as a shock. At. All.

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      MBCockAnnie from the Grog Booth
      6/28/16 11:16am

      WAKE UP SHEEPLE! (this guy is awesome)

      I can’t imagine how fun this guy will be in his angry uncle mid-40's.

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      GazesAtShoesAnnie from the Grog Booth
      6/28/16 11:20am

      I’m dreading a reunion next month with the hillbilly side of the family, I have the tread very lightly with these folks especially since alcohol will be involved.

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    Rum RaisinHamilton Nolan
    6/28/16 11:18am

    I am more surprised at the 42% for independents . We all know Republicans are crazy - I mean they are planning to nominate an orange clown as candidate for President. I think this the libertarian “slavery would have been ended by the market so there was no need for a war” team at work. They are as racist as self identified Republicans but it is OK cuz liberty.

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      MiniatureamericanflagsforothersRum Raisin
      6/28/16 11:23am

      One of my favorite Mad Men moments is when Pete the uber-capitalist is like “you could make a killing marketing to African Americans” and the client is like “no no no don’t ever say that” and then the client ensures they never have to talk to Pete again.

      And Pete just stands there thoroughly befuddled at the failure of the market.

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      ╰(　´◔　ω　◔ `)╯< Woke and BokeRum Raisin
      6/28/16 11:30am

      Independents are mostly people too crazy for either party.

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    PopeBenedictHamilton Nolan
    6/28/16 11:30am

    Well were the fuck is my gap? I make dick money and keep getting turned down for promotions while it’s been the minorities getting the promotions even when I’m better qualified.

    But people make race too much of an issue. Melting Pot my ass.

    And most of the racists I know are mexican and black. Most the white people I know could care less about race, hell most of my white friends are in interracial relationships. Maybe it’s a regional thing....

    What really bugs me though is when people talk about “reverse racism”. There’s no fucking such thing as reverse racism, you can’t reverse it... There’s racism, and there’s not racism... that’s it.

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      cepalgPopeBenedict
      6/28/16 11:47am

      when a white guy gets a promotion he doesn’t deserve, the bosses are just fucking idiots who can’t recognize real talent.

      when someone who’s not a white guy gets a promotion they don’t deserve, it must be a racist conspiracy against white men.

      it’s fascinating the way shit like this sneaks into our thought processes, isn’t it.

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      PopeBenedictcepalg
      6/28/16 11:58am

      Well considering the job I’ve been passed over for 3 times now, the last 3 people lasted less than a year each before getting canned. I’d say they suck at picking people. And what do you know about deserving it? I have far more seniority.

      It actually has more to do with the person that gets the final say in who is hired, being made to look like a fool by me. Didn’t do it on purpose, but their dumb decision blew up in their face. Nothing to do with race. I just want my wealth gap is all I was saying. Cause at the moment it’s non-existent.

      Also:

      When a minority gets passed over for a job he doesn’t deserve it’s because racism.

      When a white guy gets a promotion they don’t deserve it’s because racism.

      Reality: (in my experience at least) it’s nepotism and/or ass-kissing, not racism.

      Goes both ways.

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    IskaralPustHamilton Nolan
    6/28/16 11:18am

    I mean, you can’t deny people talk too much about race. It’s all “racial profiling” this, and “wealth gap” that, and I can’t get a single person to have a conversation about what chromosome the person washing their hands near my daughter has.

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      Oscar 7IskaralPust
      6/28/16 11:24am

      While the wealth gap affects minorities, it is a separate issue from race. Gender identity is also a separate issue from race. Your attempt to connect them shows your political bias and partiality, therefore rendering your opinion moot to those who value unbiased logic.

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      IskaralPustOscar 7
      6/28/16 11:37am

      Oh dear me, did I go and render my opinion moot again? How silly of me.

      I guess the fact that the wealth gap (a product of the lack of inter-generational asset transfer) can be directly traced to the systematic denial of property rights and the theft of labor and the proceeds of labor from black Americans under the slave system, the Black Codes, Jim Crow, and even the the modern criminal justice system does not suffice to connect it to race for “those who value unbiased logic.”

      Nor does the fact that the proposition “too much attention is paid to race” imply that attention should instead be focused on other issues (such as a current conservative favorite, gender identity) suffice to “connect” the politics of race to the politics of gender.

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    phunkshunHamilton Nolan
    6/28/16 11:19am

    They can continue to lie to themselves, at least for now..

    The monied (or at least mildly asset-ed, as a lower bound) white people really didn’t realize how good they had it. And it would have continued a bit longer as well if they didn’t completely forget to let the white underclass continue to get their meager slice of the action.

    Once they got their heads lodged in their collective asses though...Thinking the only reason they exist is due to hard work and why can’t you just try harder and not be poor..well, it was alllllll over.

    It was only a matter of time.

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      Alch3mistophunkshun
      6/28/16 12:03pm

      To be fair, most of them probably weren’t the primary beneficiaries of the biggest advantage handed out in the 50's and 60's, during the GI bill and funding for suburban redevelopment. African Americans were barred from using those funds in redlined neighborhoods. Even if they had, they think about racism is that if you don’t see the effects in people you know, it’s easy to ignore. By separating neighborhoods, it’s easy to assume the worst.

      If you go another generation past (where we are now) it’s easy to assume that you’re parents were harder workers than (other people) and that’s why they were more fortunate.

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      flamingolingoAlch3misto
      6/28/16 12:38pm

      Inheritances are one of the biggest sources of the wealth gap in this country. People whose parents and grandparents directly benefited from the GI Bill and other forms of de facto white welfare certainly benefited from those programs in measurable ways. That money and property didn’t just disappear—it got handed down.

      But I take your overall point about how individual perspective can be limited by not realizing how those early programs have had lasting effects on the racial equality gap.

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    In a Mini; let them mock me as My Mini Countryman is higher than youHamilton Nolan
    6/28/16 11:18am

    >Inb4 post about how blacks committ a majority of crimes despite being only 12% of the population

    It's not due to their race . Poverty in general increases crime rate, look at former crime rates for SF Chinatown, Hells Kitchen, Bed Stuy, Manhattan, and others.

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      helgaperezIn a Mini; let them mock me as My Mini Countryman is higher than you
      6/28/16 11:26am

      Violence and crime also tend to be more prevalent when people feel they have no recourse through our justice system. If you don’t trust the police or the courts to protect you and give you justice, you’re more likely to try to get justice on your own.

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      sulkamaniaIn a Mini; let them mock me as My Mini Countryman is higher than you
      6/28/16 11:33am

      yea, but that was back when Hell’s Kitchen belonged to the Kingpin.

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    j4x_Hamilton Nolan
    6/28/16 11:53am

    Question:

    Anyone know a conservative who does not believe white people are getting the short end?

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