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    harmagedomAimée Lutkin
    5/31/16 12:33am

    Brazilian here. Although the article is factually correct, I think it would be useful to expand the information a bit, in order to get more context. Since I already sort of did that with my comment in the article about the Italian woman burnt alive by an ex-boyfriend, here it goes:

    The incident occurred, and all the involved live, in favelas (slums) in Rio de Janeiro. So, they’re poor people, what enhanced the already regular lack of effort from authorities (if the criminals hadn’t made it public through social media, bring attention to the case, I’m sadly sure that there was not going to be much of a reaction from society).

    The crime itself: the 16 years old victim was dating one of the rapists, a low-level member of a drug trafficking gang. In a meeting between them, into the favela, the girl passed out, due to the consumption of alcohol, or drugs, or both. If this consumption was voluntary or not, it was not fully determined yet. By reasons still not fully known (different accounts says vengeance for the girl cheating on him, punishment for drugs debt, mere sadism, etc.) the “boyfriend” decided to rape the unconscious girl, along 30 or 33 (accounts vary, but it was at least 30 men, as stated in the article) friends, supposedly also members of the drug dealing gang. After the raping, they decided to film the naked unconscious girl, exposing her private parts, while making sick comments, and post it online (there’s no footage of the actual rape, but they openly confessed it on camera, bragging about).

    The case picked up the interest of the media, the natural outrage ensued, and the usually careless authorities got themselves forced to respond. On the plus side, the girl got all the necessary medical assistance (medicine cocktail to prevent pregnancy and STDs, and the exams showed none). On the sadly expectable down side, soon followed the usual attempts to blame the victim: “she had it coming, for dating a criminal”, “she deserved it for being slutty”, “she’s a drug addict”, “what else expect from a ‘favela girl’”, etc.. Things got to the point that the Police Chief in charge of the case had to be substituted by a female Police Chief, due to his open attempts to discredit the victim and awful comments. Unfortunately, the woman Police Chief didn’t much better, and today released a forensic report, stating that “yes, there was a rape, but there’s no evidence of violence”, implying that, as long there was not visible, ostensible wounds on the girl, the rape of a 16 years old girl by more than two dozens of men wasn’t “violent”...

    The police is still investigating, a few arrests were made, but kept under secrecy, to “preserve the integrity of the suspects”. Two of them, who presented themselves to present their versions, appeared on tv laughing about the whole thing... Meanwhile, following one of the sad aspects of the culture of favelas in Brazil, there’re already strong rumors that the bosses of the drug traffic in the favela where the crime occurred have already ordered the hunting and execution of the rapists, a form of “justice” these poor communities frequently see as more efficient than the State. Of course, this “justice” is motivated much more for the anger for the criminals bringing attention to the community - what disrupts the drug trafficking -, and as a display of the absolute power of the drug lords over the favela, than for a real concern for the victim.

    As for the protests, they need a bit of context. Right now, Brazil political landscape is strongly divided between the left-field, that supports the suspended President Dilma Rousseff, and her right-winged oppositors. I will not delve in the specifics of this, because is complex, and a whole different issue. But what matters here is that women rights, feminism in general, and the fight against misogyny are points strongly identified with the left in Brazil (in fact, most of the vilest comments towards the victims of rape here come from right-wing people, and our conservative legislators right now are working on a law that severely damages the protective measures for rape victims, under the pretense of “combating abort”). So, the protests on this incident in Rio are strongly tied with the several protests happpening in the last days, promoted by the leftists, against the provisory government, seen as ilegitim and a coup.

    The fact that the protest mentioned in this article occurred in front of the STF (our version of the SCOTUS) is no coincidence, for two main reasons: first, the vast majority of the left see the STF and the Juduciary Branch as an accomplish in what they see as a coup d’etat, and a tool of the right-wing conservatives. Second, a few years ago, one of the most controverse and conservative Ministers of the Court, Gilmar Mendes (our own version of Anthony Scalia, but even worse, believe me!) conceded an Habeas Corpus to Roger Abdelmassih, a surgeon accused of raping several of his female patients under anesthesia. Abdelmassih had been already convicted in the lower courts, and pleaded to be allowed to wait the appeals in freedom. Gilmar Mendes agreeded and, as soon as he got out of jail, Abdelmassih left Brazil, hiding aroung the Globe for years, only being caught recently, by the Interpol. A lot of people got mad at Mendes, regarding him responsible for the escape of a serial rapist. Of course, he completely laughed off all the protests and in the following years keep giving decisions that enraged a lot of people.

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      weebleswobbleharmagedom
      5/31/16 12:43am

      Thanks for the background.

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      VeryVickyharmagedom
      5/31/16 1:07am

      Thank-you for describing the context of this event.

      Has anything- such as a fund- been set up so people can help the victim?

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    AntisocialJusticeWarrior is not Anti-SJWAimée Lutkin
    5/30/16 11:49pm

    For the second time this evening:

    “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill rape them.”

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      randilynisFINDILYNAntisocialJusticeWarrior is not Anti-SJW
      5/31/16 12:01am

      This quote has been relevant, here alone at least 6 or 7 times in about as many weeks. So anyone out there who still thinks it’s a misrepresentation is flying in the face of REALITY, not standing up to a bunch of riled up Atwood quoting misandrist alarmists

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      AntisocialJusticeWarrior is not Anti-SJWrandilynisFINDILYN
      5/31/16 12:04am
      GIF
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    lethekkAimée Lutkin
    5/30/16 11:40pm

    OK, it’s time for humanity to go and allow another species their time in the sun.

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      TickleMeMargielethekk
      5/30/16 11:43pm

      I vote for elephants.

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      lethekkTickleMeMargie
      5/30/16 11:44pm

      I would gladly surrender to elephant overlords.

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    StoutFilesAimée Lutkin
    5/30/16 11:43pm

    But hey, the Olympics are coming! Everyone ignore the pollution and corruption and complete lack of justice for the poor! The Olympics!

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      VeryVickyStoutFiles
      5/31/16 12:08am

      And Zika!

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      tmithcStoutFiles
      5/31/16 12:18am

      And the coup. Can we mention that?

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    TampaBeeAtch (misplaced witty subname)Aimée Lutkin
    5/30/16 11:45pm

    This girl is so brave and amazing! I heard about this earlier on NPR and was just flabberghasted. After this, and the young woman set on fire in Italy. What is it going to take?

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      I'm Fart and I'm SmunnyTampaBeeAtch (misplaced witty subname)
      5/30/16 11:50pm

      I am seriously in awe of her bravery. I don't know if I would have the strength to come forward and talk about it like she has.

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      NonServiam's GhostTampaBeeAtch (misplaced witty subname)
      5/30/16 11:52pm

      It's going to take people curbing their contempt for women. Somehow. Basically, not going to happen.

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    harmagedomAimée Lutkin
    5/31/16 2:00am

    Mrs. Lutkin, as a follow up to my other comment on this article, I’ll post about an incident that I think it’s kind of relevant, and shows the prevalence of the culture of misogyny, here in Brazil, and its connection with right-wing politics. In the end, I’ll post the link to a few Brazilian news articles on it and, if you find it worthy of an article of it’s own, I can help with translation.

    Anyway, some context first... In the current polarized politics in Brazil, one of the most controverse figures is Jair Bolsonaro, a radical right-winged conservative Congressman. Although not long ago nobody here took him seriously, a crescent part of our most fringe conservatives is trying to push him as a Presidential runner for 2018. And looking at what is going on right now in the US, with Trump, a lot of people in the progressive, human rights caring field (Bolsonaro is an ex-military, supporter of death penalty, torture against criminals, persecution to leftists, and against women, LGBT and any other minority rights) are worried. His followers espouse borderline racist and fascist opinions. Sorry for bringing politics into this, but this intro was necessary, to understand the actual story, pertaining to the rape case in the article

    Well, soon after the rape related in your article, a Brazilian artist, named Allan Goldman, a strong supporter of Bolsonaro (you can see the line “Bolsonaro President 2018" in his Facebook photo, and his timeline is filled to the brim with radical conservative posts) made the following post on Facebook (he already deleted it, but the internet doesn’t forget):

    It says “What happens if the 30 rapists of the girl claim to be women? According to the leftist’s gender ideology, a person is what he feels, and his biology doesn’t matter. Society is forced to accept this decision, otherwise it’s fascism. How the Justice will judge the case of a woman who was raped by 30 other women? I got curious now”.

    Yes, this fucktard has not only make a mockery of the tragedy of a 16 years old girl, but also seized the opportunity for a jab at leftists and transgenders.

    Well, Goldman worked as a free-lancer for Chiaroscuro Studios, a studio that hires artists for publishers like DC Comics. Goldman had already worked in Superman, Teen Titans and other titles. And right after the post, Chiaroscuro terminated the contract with Goldman and posted this to their Facebook page:

    “To our fans and friends,

    The most recent case of violence against women filled us with sadness and indignation. It’s up to us to defend, valorize and support women, the LGBT community and every minority and cause that represents a fight for justice, freedom and equality, which we understand as issues that are deeper than the simple political polarization.

    The promotion and banalization of violence and discrimination no longer fit in our society, much less in our company.

    For this reason, and in face of the recent incident that just came to our knowledge, we decided to terminate the relationship with artists not aligned with values that, to us, are absolutely non negotiable.

    #NoToTheRapeCulture and be our society more and more just, egalitarian and inclusive

    Chiaroscuro Studios directors and artists”.

    Of course, Allan Goldman, after deleting its post, is whinning on Facebook, about “censorship, persecution, and ‘Communist dictatorship’”. As a cherry of garbage on top of a cake of shit, there’s a radical right wing “humorist” here, Danilo Gentili, strongly polemic - he has faced several lawsuits for racist jokes and offense towards several people. He has a talkshow, and is openly asking on his Twitter for contact with Alan, surely to bring him to his show, to whine a bit more, as Gentili usually do, that nowadays is impossible to make jokes due to PCness...

    The articles, in Brazilian Portuguese:

    http://oglobo.globo.com/cultura/livros...

    https://omelete.uol.com.br/quadrinhos/not...

    http://emais.estadao.com.br/noticias/gente...

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      Chinou's castle needs a cleanerharmagedom
      5/31/16 4:17am

      I didn’t think it was possible to love you more, but this!? You’re the girt that keeps giving!

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      Wheelerguyharmagedom
      5/31/16 4:44am

      That guy’s going with me. To the loveliest, kindest, most flamboyantly beautiful, most amazing place on Earth.

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      In the Philippines, right in the middle of a record-breaking Category 5 typhoon.

      Oh, and Gentili’s in on this, too. See if he flies.

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    BoomerAimée Lutkin
    5/30/16 11:51pm

    The headline mentioned something about mocking the situation on Twitter, but the article says nothing about it. Did I miss something?

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      AntisocialJusticeWarrior is not Anti-SJWBoomer
      5/30/16 11:54pm

      “CNN reports that a 38-second clip of the naked, unconscious girl was posted to Twitter last week. In it a man can be heard saying that “at least 30" men had had sex with her.”

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      weebleswobbleAntisocialJusticeWarrior is not Anti-SJW
      5/31/16 12:07am

      That doesn't answer the question...

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    NosirrahAimée Lutkin
    5/31/16 12:28am

    Again, I am always amazed there are not more female mass shooters.

    Think about it. You go to the last male mass shooter, and it’s always some super lame excuse like his girlfriend broke up with him. :( THE FEE-FEES!

    But imagine going on a shooting spree and listing off all your complaints just IN THIS WEEK (month?) ALONE regarding the treatment of women.

    Well, in Pakistan you can beat your wife legally...

    In Egypt, 300 people made an elderly woman perform a Cersi impression because of a RUMOR her son was having an affair with a Muslim woman. Notice how it is always, ALWAYS a woman who has to suffer, even when it is the man’s fault?

    In Italy, a bunch of people drove by a guy torching his ex. He had to set her on fire because she was trying to leave his abusive ass.

    In Brazil, they are posting a 30 person gang rape of a young teen girl. But you know, if you ever bring up rape the things everyone has to focus on first is false rape accusations. Far, far more important than the millions upon millions of rapes no one does shit about (if you are lucky! If you are unlucky they either murder you brutally for coming forward, or force you to recant and jail you!)

    Seriously, how do any of you NOT go on shooting sprees sometimes? I argue that I am a lousy shot. Not to mention my firm belief that it is a pointless activity that always punishes innocent people.

    Of course, perhaps we don’t at all need equality in this regard.... But sometimes I think MRAs are on to something. Sometimes I think it would be nice to hear about male victims. It’s not at all that I want men to suffer. I’m just sick about hearing about female victims all the time. At least if we focused more on male victims, one can get a better sense that all humans fucking suck and treat both genders like shit. There’s just something about always being the victim in news stories....

    I think that a part of me is just really sick of how the whole planet seems to hate women so very much. There is just SO much sick shit that women have to put up with simply for being born a woman. I am always amazed when people complain about “man-haters.” Like have you ever read history? Check out the news ever? That Margaret Atwood quote is spot on. Men worry some woman “hates” him, women are having fucking acid thrown in their faces and their labia hacked off and their vaginas sewed shut. Umm, fuck your fee-fees? If you want to talk about violence towards men and how it is largely ignored, I’m all ears. There’s real fucking violence targeting specifically men (I remember how Boko Haram for a bit was sparing women and setting boys on fire). If you want to talk about your hurt fee-fees from “man-haters”? Get the hell out of here!

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      AngelitosdePapelNosirrah
      5/31/16 12:59am

      Sites like Jezebel are fucking you over. Think about this: The incident occured in a favela in Brazil, the people involved were criminals. Poor, disenfranchized people living in a culture of violence, most destined to meet their end quickly by violent means. The violence affects men far more than women, it’s men out their killing each other in massive numbers. The poverty that drives them to the life of violence is ignored by almost everyone in the country. The rape of that girl is probably not the worst thing that has happened in that favela in the last 24hrs. People die all the time, the violence is relentless. Guns blaze non stop. But Jezebel cherry picks articles where women are suffering violent ends, scream misogyny and whip the readership into a frenzy. These people are victims of poverty, drugs, and a culture of violence. It never fucking stops. This is deeper than misogyny.

      “Between 10 and 15 women are murdered per day in Brazil.[20][21] A government sponsored study found that 41,532 women were murdered in Brazil between 1997 and 2007.[22] In 2012, 8% of all homicide victims were female. However, this is still far below the male victimization rate, in which men constitute 92% of homicide victims in Brazil as of 2012.[23] “

      (Wikipedia)

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      NosirrahAngelitosdePapel
      5/31/16 1:19am

      You are right. Men are more likely to be victims of physical violence and homicide. The problem is they are also the majority of the perpetrators. Because we have a world-wide culture that celebrates violence in men, but decries the same violent tendencies in women. Very few cultures do not do this.

      This is the main problem. We celebrate violent men. Sports, religion, politicians. If a woman shows these tendencies she is shamed. I think that is a large part of why there tends to be so much less violence from women. When you do see violence from women, notice it is the “socially acceptable” slap to the face of a man, or physical punishment of a child? I don’t think it is a coincidence when MRAs point out women are more abusive towards men, but their slaps are considered not abuse. I think a lot of what we see in the world is culturally acceptable forms of violence.

      That’s why I find it disturbing when you consider honor killings targeting female rape victims, women thrown in jail for miscarriages, female genital mutilation, acid burnings, etc. Because all this points to the culturally acceptable rape, torture, and murder of women because they are women. You can easily say the same for men as victims of assault, torture, and homicide.

      The difference is that men have never been considered inferior to women. There has never been a culture where women have not been seen as inferior to men. Anyone who says otherwise is not looking critically enough at the culture.

      Men are killed because they are seen as a threat. The same way you would kill a tiger near your village. Women aren’t seen as people. You would kill a woman the same way you would kill an outdoor housecat. With full knowledge you can do what you want to the victim with little consequences for your actions.

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    WheelerguyAimée Lutkin
    5/31/16 12:04am

    I want to see the faces of those 30 men, point megaphones on both their ears, and scream at the top of my lungs.

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      FirstLadyBoozeveltWheelerguy
      5/31/16 12:12am

      You are too kind.

      I want to take a rusty razor and slice off their dicks and then let the gangrene totally make their balls fall off. I want them to feel pain.

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      System of a FrownWheelerguy
      5/31/16 12:34am

      I’d go full Ramsay Bolton on them.

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    Moxie RemonAimée Lutkin
    5/31/16 12:19am

    As a Brazilian woman, I’m proud that my people is speaking up, it’s hard to watch the rape culture unfolds at our society for this long. They are mocking us, we’re in a fucking crisis, but this makes me hopeful.

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      AngelitosdePapelMoxie Remon
      5/31/16 1:06am

      Hi, I’m from Jamaica, last I checked, we have about twice the murder rate per capita that you do. People who perpetrate this kind of violence are usually reckless, murderous shells of men with no conscience at all. They rape a lot, but they kill for more than they rape. They really do a lot of killing, and when you do so much killing, pretty much anything is on the cards. Do you think misogyny or rape culture is to blame more than the culture of violence and wanton disregard for human life and suffering in general? Wikipedia says 92% of homicide victims in Brazil were male since 2012. Is trying to fight against misogyny going to help prevent this kind of thing from happening again, when the perpetrators think nothing of killing other human beings?

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      NosirrahAngelitosdePapel
      5/31/16 1:54am

      Ah, I think now you worded it this way, I can reply with a better answer. I think the answer to your question is both bits of culture are to blame. The violence and the misogyny. And yes, I think fighting against misogyny would help, but you would need to fight against the violence as well.

      The more that I think about this, the more I think the two can’t possibly be separated. I don’t think its a coincidence that societies that tend to be less violent also espouse equality of all people more.

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