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    Space_RockerKelly Faircloth
    5/13/16 11:07am

    Are the Canadian anti-vaxxers as nuts about this as American anti-vaxxers? I didn’t even know anti-vaxxing in Canada was a thing, pardon my ignorance. I always just assume our neighbors to the north talk funny, but have better sense with matters such as these. Are they also like “DERP DERP but religious freedom and autism and curing my kid with coconut oil!”, too? Help me understand.

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      Stig-a-saw-us wrecks loves nuclear power.Space_Rocker
      5/13/16 11:09am

      They’re just more polite about their ignorance.

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      SipowitzSpace_Rocker
      5/13/16 11:14am

      It’s going to be a “thing” in just about any nation that hasn’t seen a preventable disease outbreak wreak havoc on its population in a couple generations. They’re far enough removed from the time where family members in iron lungs were a common experience. They think that the current state of general population health is just the norm and not the result of vigorous efforts to get rid of these diseases.

      But, yes, I’d probably argue that the vast majority of Canada’s anti-vaxx population are just “natural” health nuts. Not the equal parts mix of those people/fervent religious zealots/and anti-govt conspiracy theorists that we have here in the States.

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    SipowitzKelly Faircloth
    5/13/16 11:07am

    I mean, I fully support this, but good god is it fodder for the “reeducation” conspiracy theorists out there.

    God bless the patient, brave souls who will teach this class if the bill passes.

    Truer words have never been spoken.

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      dcgirl13Sipowitz
      5/13/16 11:12am

      Yep. There is a decent amount of research that this is going to backfire as much I want that not to be true!

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      benjaminalloverSipowitz
      5/13/16 11:15am

      Unfortunately, I think you may be correct. The demographics of anti-vaxxers in Canada don’t indicate that a lack of scientific information is the problem;

      If anything, there is a slight bias [among anti-vaxxers] toward highly educated people, which fits with the impression that people who refuse to vaccinate their children do not lack access to scientific information so much as reject it on various grounds.

      http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/an...

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    Stig-a-saw-us wrecks loves nuclear power.Kelly Faircloth
    5/13/16 11:06am

    Ontario Is Considering Making Non-Vaccinating Parents Take a Damn Science Class

    Good.

    Once more with feeling:

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      Volante3192Stig-a-saw-us wrecks loves nuclear power.
      5/13/16 11:09am

      To be fair, there is a tiny but legitimate branch off the ‘No’ side of “the vaccine would literally kill my child, otherwise I would”

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      eugene levy's eyebrowsStig-a-saw-us wrecks loves nuclear power.
      5/13/16 11:10am

      I’ve never seen that flowchart, but I lurve it!

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    justdontokKelly Faircloth
    5/13/16 11:20am

    It just always confuses me that people would rather their children get potentially deadly diseases than be autistic. It’s like autism is the biggest boogieman in the world, but death is ok. Everyone in this class should be forced to see pictures and videos of children suffering from the diseases, they should have doctors come in and explain exactly what happens to children with the diseases, and how the children suffer, and then they should have families with children who have autism come in and explain how they’d rather have an autistic child than a dead child.

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      Kris-the-Needlessly-Defiantjustdontok
      5/13/16 11:25am

      An autistic kid can be awesome or be an asshole or both, just like regular kids. But a dead kid is a dead kid. Source: proud mom of a mostly awesome autistic kid.

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      chemiclordjustdontok
      5/13/16 11:26am

      It has to do with detachment from the historical consquences of the diseases in question. For example, I’m 37, but the experiences with chicken pox during my childhood was an inconvenience more than life threatening.

      While I understand that was directly due to the vaccinations and efforts of disease control for a lot of this generation of parents they don’t understand that. They openly wonder why they would risk a severe behavioral disorder for diseases that they can only remember as mild.

      They don’t get it, and they don’t want to take the time to learn. It’s easier to believe some celebrity.

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    AlloraKelly Faircloth
    5/13/16 11:06am

    God bless the patient, brave souls who will teach this class if the bill passes.

    I will offer my email exchanges with various family members as curriculum. I can tell you each class will need to conclude with a strong cocktail or six.

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      AltairaMorbius2200ADAllora
      5/13/16 11:16am

      This is why I’m not sure this will work. I’m not entirely sure what *will* work, but forcing people to do something like this will just make them feel even more “YOU CAN’T MAKE ME!” in my experience.

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      KlewlessAllora
      5/13/16 1:30pm

      I wonder if they could hypnotize the “class” and explain how safe vaccines are while they are under.

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    DaisyLadyKelly Faircloth
    5/13/16 11:11am

    I like the idea but if you’re the kind of person that insists one plus one equals thirty-seven despite all facts, can a class fix that? Especially if you don’t want to take said class.

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      AltairaMorbius2200ADDaisyLady
      5/13/16 11:17am

      Yeah, agreed- I have no idea what would work, but this won’t be it.

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      spad13DaisyLady
      5/13/16 11:21am

      Yeah, I imagine most anti-vaxxers who are forced to sit through the classes will either spend the whole time arguing with the teachers or they’ll silently sit there doing the mental equivalent of “LALALALALALALA I AM NOT LISTENING LALALALALALALA”

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    Bonzi777Kelly Faircloth
    5/13/16 11:13am

    They don’t need a class; “they did their own research.”

    As a side note, has anyone outside of formal research positions ever used the phrase “I did my own research” and not come to a completely stupid conclusion?

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      Ry-bones, FiST pilotBonzi777
      5/13/16 11:21am

      Oreos are delicious, I did my own research.

      Well, there’s at least one time.

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      EvanrudeJohnsonBonzi777
      5/13/16 11:39am

      “they did their own research.”

      My cousin uses this all the time. His common refrains are “I did my own research” and “That’s what they want you to think.”

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    HobbylobbyistKelly Faircloth
    5/13/16 11:20am

    If women who want an abortion have wait 48 hours and receive pamphlets and hear bullshit unscientific crap about their LEGAL medical procedure, I am all for making anti-vaxxers sit through a class.

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      freshacconciHobbylobbyist
      5/13/16 12:36pm

      Fortunately, in Ontario, the former is not required. We’ve even outlawed “ex-gay therapy”. It’s not a bad place.

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    ZhiBaChu: Awkward DetectiveKelly Faircloth
    5/13/16 11:17am

    Send them somewhere kids are still dying from these diseases. Play the sound of a baby with pertussis on a loop. Make them look a mother who lost a child in the face and tell her that she was sucked in by Big Pharma. Bet not too many of those people have the spine for that.

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      eugene levy's eyebrowsKelly Faircloth
      5/13/16 11:11am

      Too bad this will never, ever happen in the US. Ever.

      EVER.

      But YAY Ontario for trying!

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        Ken Yadiggiteugene levy's eyebrows
        5/13/16 11:21am
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