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    thetallblonde loves twinjaClover Hope
    5/11/16 11:18am

    ugh so disappointed in my girl blake.

    also, woody allen is pure garbage. it’s science.

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      Bingo,Carlosthetallblonde loves twinja
      5/11/16 11:20am

      Same.

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      LouisLippsthetallblonde loves twinja
      5/11/16 11:31am

      As long as we’re making value judgments, I feel like Cosby is pure garbage, and Allen is a semi-stinky bowl of hummus you’ve left in your fridge for too long and still might consider eating. Cosby drugged and raped anywhere from 40-200 women or so over the course of 40 years in show business, preying on their trust and denying any involvement in the sordid world of sexual abuse. Woody Allen sounds like a creep who had some awful predilections that affected a much smaller list. I doubt he’s adequately contrite, but I can guess that he’s at least a little more self-aware and apologetic. It’d go a long way for him to fully admit what he did, but the stereotype and public reaction to the crimes associated with pedophiles all but assures he’ll never be comfortable enough to admit what he did. And I’ll still dip a chip in that questionable hummus to see if it still tastes good.

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    SuffersfoolsgladlyClover Hope
    5/11/16 11:32am

    Is it just me, or does Woody Allen make the same movie over and over for the most part? So many of them blur together and most of them are annoyingly self-aggrandizing. I don’t quite understand the culture of adulation around this man.

    I think actors flock to him because he can enhance their reputations..and in this case they are part of the problem. Most of them probably suspect all the sexual allegations are true, but they are star fuckers too. I would love to hear about an actor who turned him down out of conscience..but of course I won’t, because anyone who makes a stink will not get very far..just like Cosby’s victims.

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      BurnThisAccount45Suffersfoolsgladly
      5/11/16 11:36am

      His latest phase of “Old times nostalgia” is tiresome. And I say this as someone who loves history and Old Hollywood but it's basically the same story and same setting over and over again.

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      speshulsnoflaketake2Suffersfoolsgladly
      5/11/16 11:36am

      He made a few good movies way back when but at this point the duds have outnumbered the good ones. At this point, for me, even the good ones are ruined. I have lost the desire to re-watch them.

      It would be AMAZING if an actor came out and said that s/he didn’t take a role in an Allen film for ethical reasons. I’m not holding my breath though.

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    KatMarloweClover Hope
    5/11/16 11:28am

    My mother has worked in the film industry a long time. And, I sent her a link to the Kristen Stewart piece from Jez last night. And, this was her response:

    “You have smart actors. And, dumb actors. Great beauties and your character actors. But, the one thing they have in common is that are all needy narcissists. Even the nice ones, the actors with good guy reps. They are desperate for acceptance, they crave validation. “Woody Allen wants me in his film? What an honor.” So, they will twist the world into whatever shape they need to in order to make whatever shit they do into something acceptable or even heroic. The mental gymnastics they engage in would make Nadia look like a toddler at the baby gym.”

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      BusPassTrollop curls up and diesKatMarlowe
      5/11/16 11:30am

      I love your mom for the Nadia reference

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      all my friends are problematic (aka do the truffle-shuffle)KatMarlowe
      5/11/16 11:36am

      “the one thing they have in common is that are all needy narcissists.”

      I love Woody Allen movies and make no apologies for it nor will I ever stop watching them but your mother is 100% correct. I’ve never met a professional actor/actress, established or aspiring, who wasn’t a needy narcissist. It’s their greatest strength and what makes them good at what they do, but it’s also their biggest weakness and what makes them exhausting. I refuse to date actors and the ones I’m friends with I can only handle in small doses.

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    Curious SquidClover Hope
    5/11/16 11:30am

    “forcing her to suck his thumb”

    was the bit where I had to stop, looked away from the screen and say “Wow, okay” before continuing.

    /AFK, vomiting forever

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      benjaminalloverCurious Squid
      5/11/16 11:38am

      All these people who read the adult Dylan’s descriptions of the grooming and abuse and still think Mia made the whole thing up need to explain that. I would just love to hear how that’s normal and fine.

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      GRAY-pefruitSmilebenjaminallover
      5/11/16 11:46am

      I know! At one point, I read the court transcripts and was left so nauseated. How could anyone think that Allen was unjustly accused?

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    JujyMonkey: Clever tagline goes hereClover Hope
    5/11/16 11:20am

    Allen’s latest film Cafe Society—which opens the Cannes Film Festival tonight and stars Kristen Stewart, Jesse Eisenberg, Steve Carell

    Shit. Et, tu Michael Scott?

    GIF
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      LuaJujyMonkey: Clever tagline goes here
      5/11/16 11:29am

      Reading that hurt.

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      duchessedemalJujyMonkey: Clever tagline goes here
      5/11/16 11:33am

      Seriously, KStew gets heat (deservedly) for doing his shitty film, but this is the first mention of Steve Carrell? Fuck him. He’s older, wiser and he has daughters. There is NO EXCUSE for him here. Not a fan anymore.

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    JessieClover Hope
    5/11/16 11:30am

    After an actor works with him, I never look at them the same way. Colin Firth... Emma Stone... It always leaves a bad taste in my mouth that they either didn’t believe Dylan Farrow or they don’t care.

    And Miley Cyrus? Miley Cyrus who has claimed to champion homeless youth? Miley, why do you think they’re homeless? Many children and youth who choose the streets over their “home” do so to escape abuse, physical, emotional, and sexual to name just a few. And now? Now Miley proudly signed up to work with a man who has been accused of that crime. I’m a person who has experienced childhood sexual abuse, and a Woody Allen loving Miley is not my champion. And the people that work with Woody Allen are not people I respect.

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      KatmanduJessie
      5/11/16 11:57am

      After an actor works with him, I never look at them the same way. Colin Firth... Emma Stone... It always leaves a bad taste in my mouth that they either didn’t believe Dylan Farrow or they don’t care.

      I’m exactly the same way. It’s like that friendship that dies because you thought they were somebody better than they actually are. Now that you know the true, you just can’t be a part of it anymore.

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      Inara SerraJessie
      5/11/16 12:00pm

      I think Miley Cyrus probably has some dissonant ideas about what is ok/isn’t ok when it comes to men and young girls (or much younger women). She was sexualized at such a young age and her own relationship with her father always stuck me as creepy.

      Her working relationship with Wayne Coyne, and his relationship with his very young girlfriend, strikes me as pretty troubled. She and the gf aren’t minors, but the age difference and, more to the point, the way Coyne has talked about it (and I continue to be surprised that Jezebel hasn’t done any pieces on it) is squicky.

      There is a burgeoning movement of teen girls and women in their early 20s pushing to get rid of age of consent laws, supporting adult men who go to prison for sleeping with teenagers (I’m talking about 14 year old girls with 30 year old men, not a 17 year old girl and an 18 year old boy) saying the men have been treated unfairly, writing about how teen girls should be allowed to live out their “Lolita” dreams, etc., largely written about on sites like Tumblr. It makes me want to shoot fire out of my face, but I also can’t help but think girls like those, and girls like Miley, probably, had some childhood abuse happen that is now being expressed in ways like that, or in ways like working with men like Woody Allen.

      I still think her choice is fucked up and that at least her PR team should have stopped her from making that decision. But there might be more going on there.

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    Major Lazer Power BlazerClover Hope
    5/11/16 11:18am

    i love ronan and dylan and the stand they are taking. brave and important

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      speshulsnoflaketake2Major Lazer Power Blazer
      5/11/16 11:44am

      And I’m happy with this site for giving this attention. Anything to counter the Allen publicity machine.

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      bolognesepleaseMajor Lazer Power Blazer
      5/11/16 12:28pm

      Word. Everyone should read Ronan’s full piece, it’s so fucking good. Fuck anyone who doesn’t believe that rape culture is a thing. Bless him for being smart and honest (and handsome af, sorry).

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    bladerunnerClover Hope
    5/11/16 11:57am

    I just wrote an essay touching on this. As an old going back to college, I’m really stunned that we’re still having this discussion. I had to read a Woody Allen piece in the literature class I just took, and the entirety of my essay was basically: Fuck you. I mean, politely. But it was that short “play” about Death. There was absolutely nothing about it that made it “necessary” or even valuable: He wasn’t the first or the last to do a personified Death, and there was nothing special about his particular one.

    Yes, I can separate an artist from their work. I don’t want to, because you’re an immoral shitbag if you ignore that you’re supporting a monster just because you think they made a thing you like.

    This isn’t hard. Cosby is a rapist. Whether he’s funny or not is not a separate issue—it’s fucking irrelevant. Same with Woody Allen. It so happens that I think Woody Allen makes mediocre at best movies, but lest anyone think that I only take this position on artists I don’t think are good, or that I think are utter sexist hacks, like Allen (and seriously, everyone always says how great his movies are, but nobody can actually point to anything IN them that’s particularly good), I confess I loved Cosby. Hell, I loved Ender’s Game. But Cosby is a goddamn monster, and Card is a bad person. Since there’s infinite other media out there I could consume, that’s what I do. When they’re dead, maybe it becomes less of an issue. I’m willing to occasionally listen to Wagner or read Lovecraft. But while they’re still alive, fuck no and fuck you.

    I even had this argument with my brother the other day. He tried to say “every artist is up to nonsense, if you judge Cosby you can’t listen to anyone” and I shut that the fuck DOWN. Rape isn’t “nonsense” and it’s fuckign shitty to use a euphemism to try to make a false equivalence. Not every artist is a rapist or a child molester, and the ones that aren’t are the ones that get to have careers.

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      VulcansAreHeartbreakersbladerunner
      5/11/16 12:19pm

      I even had this argument with my brother the other day. He tried to say “every artist is up to nonsense, if you judge Cosby you can’t listen to anyone” and I shut that the fuck DOWN.

      ALL THIS. Thank you! Seriously, with the false equivalencies. It’s maddening. And they act so smug immediately thinking they’ve caught you in an hypocrisy. Do they lack critical thinking skills? Why is it hard to understand that I could tolerate an artist who is sexist, but not one who has committed violent crimes? The other day I got into it with some jackass who could not separate the idea of flirting and cat-calling. In his mind, wanting to stop cat-calling was akin to wanting to castrate men/ban men from talking to women. And I just couldn’t. They’re either willfully obtuse or plain stupid, and idgaf trying to figure out which.

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      LadyDuhhbladerunner
      5/11/16 12:30pm

      Yea, I also stop consuming the media of men accused of sexual assault, because ultimately my ability to enjoy music, a movie, book, etc. without feeling guilty about it is way less important than a survivor of sexual assault not having to see of listen to their abuser almost every damn day.

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    Kate DriesClover Hope
    5/11/16 12:26pm

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      GatewayHugsKate Dries
      5/11/16 1:18pm

      oh fuck Mia farrow. She's in no way innocent when it comes to this story.

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      EatmeslowlyKate Dries
      5/11/16 2:04pm

      Farrow’s never publicly commented on her own brother, John Villiers-Farrow, who was sentenced to at least 10 years in prison last fall in connection with the molestation of two young boys who were his neighbors in his home state of Maryland. Villiers-Farrow in July pleaded guilty to two counts of child abuse, claiming his innocence and saying that he only pleaded guilty to end the ordeal as efficiently and quickly as possible. Prosectors, citing the accusers, said that Villiers-Farrow showed two underage boys X-rated films, fondled them and engaged in oral sex with them multiple times, from the time one of them was ages 9 and 16. Back in 1992 during the initial accusations, Villiers-Farrow predicted toPeople that Allen was “going to be indicted, and he’s going to be ruined.” He added, “I think when all of it comes out, he’s going to jail.”

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    GELLA - LLAPClover Hope
    5/11/16 11:19am

    behavior that had prompted him to enter into therapy focused on his inappropriate conduct with children prior to the allegations.

    only therapy??

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      House Milkshaker of DaftbollocksGELLA - LLAP
      5/11/16 11:33am

      I know, right? Dude should be on a list and with a conviction that at least forbids him to travel. He should not be working near minors at all. I know it is not always the onus of the victim to initiate legal proceedings. I know she doesn’t need or want that or she would have done something about it. BUT having the dude swank around French film festivals when some say he should be in a jail cell, it is painful to watch. At least Polanski doesn’t travel the world. Why should this celebrity alleged sex offender get some kind of free pass? In the UK, we had operation Yewtree and people got their passports taken away on the slightest allegation. I guess he has a lot of protection.

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      GELLA - LLAPHouse Milkshaker of Daftbollocks
      5/11/16 11:44am

      isn’t should be the other way around victims go to therapy and molesters go to jail?

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