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    skefflesAlex Pareene
    5/06/16 12:22pm

    Clinton spinning around in circles while she tries to refine to only two decimal places which way the polls say she should pivot.

    It is Republican versus Republican this year, might as well stay home if you want actual change.

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      The Alvin Greene Dreamskeffles
      5/06/16 12:30pm

      It is Republican versus Republican this year, might as well stay home if you want actual change.

      This.

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      TheBoysBadNewsskeffles
      5/06/16 12:37pm

      Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    GregoireAlex Pareene
    5/06/16 12:18pm

    Democrats are famous for grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory. Do not let anybody involved with the infamous Martha Coakley campaign 500 miles near Clinton and her team.

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      amgarreGregoire
      5/06/16 12:25pm

      Agreed. Hillary needs to find her James Carville. Or, heck, bring back James. As abrasive as he is, that guy could get a read on the electorate.

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      Gregoireamgarre
      5/06/16 12:28pm

      He won’t be available. TNT is bringing back a new Tales From The Crypt series in the fall.

      GIF
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    Quasar FunkAlex Pareene
    5/06/16 12:27pm

    Excellent post, Alex.

    The Clinton campaign essentially needs to just run on her platform and never even mention Trump. Nothing they say will sway his supporters away from him, so it serves no purpose. Focus the campaign on Hillary and let Trump be his own attack ad.

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      hntergrenQuasar Funk
      5/06/16 12:31pm

      This. The smart play is to run on her platform and largely ignore Trump. Don’t engage in his bullshit. Don’t dignify his nonsense with responses. And definitely don’t go on a negative ad war with him. Reasonable people understand what a joke Trump is, and Hillary doesn’t need the voters who think otherwise to win. She needs her base, and she needs them to come out strong. She should focus on that.

      As they say, never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you through experience.

      Heed that advice Hill.

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      Portlandnative1984hntergren
      5/06/16 12:39pm

      I disagree. Trump wants the Saudis, South Korea, and Japan to get nukes. If that happens we all die. His trade policies will bring on the biggest depression the world has ever seen. Again people will die.

      She should tell the people that electing Trump is literally a fatal choice.

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    Freddie DeBoerAlex Pareene
    5/06/16 12:24pm

    In the effort to defeat Bernie Sanders, Clinton supporters (including her SuperPAC, which absolutely does run negative stuff against Sanders all the time, despite the spin) have painted her as this uniquely electable candidate. But that just doesn’t square with the polling, her favorables, or her record. She lost to a Senator with less than a single term of experience under his belt in 08 and will end up losing 20+ states to a socialist grandpa from Brooklyn in 16. And, even more importantly, since 2010 Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governor’s seats, 69 seats in the House, and 13 Senate seats. Democrats keep talking about this permanent Democrat majority, but the party is very vulnerable.

    I think she’ll beat Trump; she’ll probably do so handily. But the overconfidence is stunning.

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      icreateburnerswhenkinjabreaksFreddie DeBoer
      5/06/16 12:36pm

      This. And she almost certainly only got to the Senate because Rudy Giuliani got cancer. It’s baffling to me that people think she’s a good politician.

      I think she’s likely to win, but Nate Silver ran a thing yesterday saying she’d be the most unpopular Presidential candidate in history if it wasn’t for Trump himself. I wouldn’t be counting chickens just yet.

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      icanneverremembermyburnercodeicreateburnerswhenkinjabreaks
      5/06/16 12:49pm

      And here’s the other thing. Trump has nowhere to go but up in favor ability ratings. All he has to do is tone it down a smidge and not act like a lunatic for a few months and his ratings will go up. Clinton’s favor ability ratings are so bad because of herself. She's tried anything and everything to be more likeable and she can't get them up at all because everyone know who she is and won't believe a word out of her mouth.

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    BobbySeriousAlex Pareene
    5/06/16 12:24pm

    Alex, I think you are confusing what worked in the republican primary with what will work in the general election.

    At the end of the day, Americans are pretty conservative with their presidential picks. They generally want someone they can trust. Someone who isn’t going to do anything too stupid. Someone reasonable, tempered, and pragmatic, even predictable to an extent.

    This is why Sanders was always such a long shot, why Trump has zero chance, and why when America sees Hillary contrasted against this piggish man-child, she will take this thing in epic fashion.

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      Doofenschmirtz, Inc.BobbySerious
      5/06/16 12:29pm

      And that’s why they elected a black man named Hussein with practically no political experience? Come on, man.

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      Tony Stewart Killed a GuyBobbySerious
      5/06/16 12:31pm

      This is why Sanders was always such a long shot, why Trump has zero chance, and why Hillary will take this thing in epic fashion.

      I don’t know why people think this is going to come true if they keep repeating it. For months, every pundit said that Trump had no chance of winning the nomination, up until the point that he won the nomination. Saying Trump has “zero chance” in the primary flies in the face of everything that has happened in the primary season.

      Furthermore, nobody ever lost money betting on a Hillary Clinton campaign shooting itself in the foot.

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    keverdeneAlex Pareene
    5/06/16 1:10pm

    Jesus fucking christ, she is not a conservative.

    Y’all do realize that the reason Hilllary has to be so “cautious” is because she’s a woman, right? If she showed up to rallies with her hair all wackadoo and had a background as a carpenter/hippie activist (like Bernie), she’d be dismissed as a crazy cat lady. If she slapped on two inches of orange makeup and yelled about how much money she has or how great she is (like Trump), she’d be hanged in the town square.

    Spare me the righteous arguments about Elizabeth Warren or any other prominent female politicians. Elizabeth Warren couldn’t get elected President. Neither could Carly, Michelle Bachmann, Geraldine Ferraro, or any woman who actually allowed herself to be seen as a fucking human being. HILLARY has made it farther than anyone. Not because she’s a sociopath or a closet Republican, but because she knows what the fuck she’s doing, and she knows you motherfuckers are subconsciously buying into our rape culture when you judge her.

    You don’t like that Hillary’s cards are close to her chest? You wish she would be more openly left wing? Maybe you shouldn’t have helped perpetuate a system wherein Hillary’s forced to adhere to norms of femininity that your subconscious cave brain thinks is the only way to determine her trustworthiness as a public servant.

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      flamingolingokeverdene
      5/06/16 1:21pm

      THIS. There have been studies showing that people treat ambitious women as inherently untrustworthy, dishonest, and cold and calculating. Does that sound familiar to anyone here?

      A metric ton of the crap that the leftier-than-thou crowd have been throwing at Clinton have been based on her gender and her husband’s policies. They can deny it all they want but I have seen nothing but accusations based on distortions of her record and gut feelings about her character.

      It would be great if our first viable female presidential candidate could be treated fairly by people who are supposedly liberals.

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      brontebratkeverdene
      5/06/16 1:30pm

      THANK YOU. My most ardent Bernie supporting friend (a woman) has posted unflattering pics/memes on FB of Clinton. Hillary can do absolutely no right with the media, or seemingly anyone for that matter, and as an old I can say it’s been that way since her husband was campaigning the first time.

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    okiedokieokieAlex Pareene
    5/06/16 12:29pm

    Dangerous Donald? Product developer and marketing rollout guy here... and a good one.... Rotten Don. It says it all in one soundbite: spoiled, entitled, no good, and by going with Don, you set it up to start throwing mob ties accusations against him. He’ll never be able to shake it.

    Trust me on that one Hill. You can have it for free.

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      DavidPuddyokiedokieokie
      5/06/16 12:30pm

      Pretty sure she’ll pass but decent effort.

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      Montovirookiedokieokie
      5/06/16 12:40pm

      Good point. Trump would likely adopt “Dangerous Donald” proudly: “I’ll be unpredictable and threatening on the behalf of the American people to keep [insert name or type of enemy here] on their toes.” (Note that China has already felt the need to respond to Trump with official statements—and he’s only a candidate!)

      However, your free proposal will go nowhere, because NIH.

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    BreakerBakerAlex Pareene
    5/06/16 12:33pm

    So I guess we’ve entered the period of concern trolling this agonizingly endless campaign? Wonderful. Sure, Trump is a fucking racist imbecile, but if we call him that, doesn’t it risk underscoring the message he’s sold himself on for months? Aren’t the racist imbeciles who nominated him that much more likely to vote for him in that case?

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      flamingolingoBreakerBaker
      5/06/16 12:57pm

      Yeah, I’m not worried about Clinton.

      I’m far more worried about concern troll liberals in the media trying their best to depress Democratic turnout by portraying Hillary as a necessary evil (rather than, say, the progressive policy wonk she is).

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      yvanehtniojflamingolingo
      5/06/16 1:01pm

      I’m far more worried about concern troll liberals in the media trying their best to depress Democratic turnout by portraying Hillary as a necessary evil (rather than, say, the progressive policy wonk she is).

      This. Six months of Gawker Media trying to come up with every smear imaginable, 6 posts a day, against the probable Democratic nominee, capped off with a patronizing “get it together, Democrats, why can’t you accomplish your goals?” post. Fuck this noise.

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    RappingNinjaAlex Pareene
    5/06/16 1:02pm

    I wish, instead of being all genteel and political, she’d just call him what he is.

    Just say “Donald Trump is a self-centered bigot who celebrates the torture and murder of innocent civilians as important parts of his policy. He lies more than any other politician has in the past three elections, and he openly admits believing whatever he sees in supermarket tabloids and on the Internet.

    My campaign team has citations of hard evidence for all these things if you need some factual backup.”

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      myliphurtsRappingNinja
      5/06/16 2:30pm

      Clinton also celebrates the torture and murder of innocent civilians as important parts of her policy.

      She lies just as much as Trump and has proven she can’t be trusted (emails). But yes, please try and pass her off as someone worthy of the presidency.

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      RappingNinjamyliphurts
      5/06/16 3:04pm

      No, see, what I said is something that is factually verifiable with hard evidence.

      Similarly, I can also prove that Hillary is the second-least lying candidate in the campaign through every single independent fact-checking site (Bernie still beats her on that though). Trump is about seven times the liar she ever is.

      Now, can you provide factual evidence to backup your first claima bout the torture and murder of innocent civilians?

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    VanNostrandAlex Pareene
    5/06/16 1:30pm

    Here is the new BernieBro dialogue. The Democrats NEED to suck up to the Bros if they want to win. Dems better not alienate the Bros. It’s a combination of entitlement, delusions of grandeur, self-centeredness, and veiled threats.

    I don’t call them Bernie supporters or progressives because they are far too immature and shortsighted for those labels. To them, this is a game. They’ll take their balls and go home if they don’t get their way. To the rest of us, this is a reality. Adults make compromises for the greater benefit.

    Face it Bros, progressives will vote for Hillary. The center-left will vote for Hillary. The moderates right in the middle will vote for Hillary. Some on the center-right will vote for Hillary. The Trumpers will vote for Trump, and the Bros will stay home.. as they do during every midterm election.

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      Stinger554VanNostrand
      5/06/16 2:15pm

      Lol because insulting someone and then telling them to do what you want them to is definitely the way to go and always works in the end right?

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      VanNostrandStinger554
      5/06/16 2:59pm

      Thank you for, in your fragility, proving my point.

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