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    Dave Rich Juzwiak
    4/29/16 12:52pm

    Sometimes, just sometimes, I don’t think Megyn Kelly knows what network she works for.

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      dothedewDave
      4/29/16 12:53pm

      But that hairdo! She looks delicious.

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      Thisisnttheaccountdothedew
      4/29/16 12:55pm

      Damn your lips and the truth they speak#

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    ARP2Rich Juzwiak
    4/29/16 12:51pm

    Please don’t lose sight of the other, just as ugly, half of this bill..it prohibits local governments from providing civil and work protections for its people, including minimum wages, leave, etc.

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      flamingolingoARP2
      4/29/16 12:57pm

      Yeah, this was a Trojan Horse law. I can easily see a situation when NC repeals the bathroom policing part but leaves the provisions that gut labor protections alone. And then clueless people on FB will be all, “VICTORY!”

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      RobNYCARP2
      4/29/16 12:59pm

      I’m frankly worried that that part will end up staying.

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    dothedewRich Juzwiak
    4/29/16 12:52pm

    “For those people who have these unique gender identification issues, which I emphasize with, we ought to allow the schools to make special arrangements for those people,” he said

    How can you expect someone to have empathy when they literally don’t know the word?

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      Dave dothedew
      4/29/16 12:55pm

      Please, he clearly has TONS of empathy! It’s just limited to Evangelical Christian Conservatives and THEIR pain.

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      Quasar Funkdothedew
      4/29/16 12:59pm

      Come on, she has a great deal of entropy for transformer people.

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    GregoireRich Juzwiak
    4/29/16 12:52pm

    So what is Megyn’s deal anyway? Is she the thoughtful conservative or is she an emerging progressive? Where on the William F Buckley-Gore Vidal scale does she reside? 75% Buckley/25% Vidal?

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      Cherith CutestoryGregoire
      4/29/16 12:56pm

      She’s 100% conservative but she doesn’t pretend to be a moron. And pretending to be stupid is a huge part of the job of conservative (and much liberal) commentary right now.

      Most female rightwing journalists are pretending they don’t know that you don’t actually see other people’s privates in a woman’s room. And if you are exposed against your will something else is likely going on that’s already a crime.

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      Armageddon T. ThunderbirdCherith Cutestory
      4/29/16 12:58pm

      Also, she is allowed to have these media-attracting moments to sell the narrative that Fox is “fair and balanced.”

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    KyuzoRich Juzwiak
    4/29/16 1:04pm

    I’m still dying to know how these laws are supposed to be enforced. Are we authorizing the police to inspect our genitalia whenever someone gets weirded out in a bathroom? Are we trusting the police officer’s subjective gut feeling on who was born male or female? Are we all now required to carry our birth certificates everywhere?

    IT’S ALMOST LIKE THE PEOPLE BEHIND THESE LAWS HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE LAW WORKS

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      skyslangKyuzo
      4/29/16 1:15pm

      Yeah, this part of the bill won’t be enforced. It’s just a distraction from the other parts of the bill, the parts that gut labor protections.

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      AnnieW50Kyuzo
      4/29/16 1:23pm

      On FB I just saw a trending item that was a butch woman being escorted from the bathroom by cops because she refused to produce proof of her identity and right to be there.

      Fuck that and good for her for not just caving.

      And really fuck the person who called the police in the first place.

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    MWarnerMRich Juzwiak
    4/29/16 1:25pm

    There’s another dark side to these laws. It encourages people to call the cops on anyone they feel doesn’t “look” female or male enough to be in their bathroom based on stereotypical gender appearance standards. If you’re a long-haired guy with soft features and a high voice, or a short-haired girl in “butch” clothes with a low voice, prepare for an even bigger wave of harassment than you’re already used to. Because now sexists and homophobes are explicitly emboldened by the law to make your life hell by saying “you don’t belong here.” and getting the police to arrest you.

    This is already happening. Two days ago a video went viral of a lesbian woman being forcibly dragged out of a bathroom with her pants half on by two North Carolina cops who refused to believe she was female. To be clear - this was not even a transgender woman - this was a cisgender woman, born female, taking a pee in the women’s room. But because of her short hair, baggy clothes and somewhat androgynous facial features, the cops decided “nah, you’re a man”, and physically dragged her out of the women’s bathroom as she and her friends repeatedly screamed that she was female. They even kept addressing her as “sir”. It was appalling.

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      MattMWarnerM
      4/29/16 2:02pm

      I’m wondering if she has a right to sue under existing anti-discrimination laws. Seeing as she is female both biologically and in terms of gender identity (and born that way to boot) the courts could take this one without even having to necessarily rule on the issue of transgender people.

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      e30s2kMWarnerM
      4/29/16 2:52pm

      Believe that video turned out to be a hoax (in which case that’s not really helping this situation either), but in general completely agree with your point. This whole law is stupid to the core, including the minimum wage. etc restrictions being placed on local authorities that isn’t getting any of the press coverage.

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    Hatless Süspęçt and 6 othersRich Juzwiak
    4/29/16 12:55pm

    Tellingly, McCrory frequently used “gender” during this interview when he seemed to mean “biological sex,” because he does not care about or understand the notions of gender identity that we’ve also had for many, many years.

    This is same technical minutiae people get mad at gun nuts for, when they try to cut off an argument because you didn’t know the difference between a clip and a magazine. You know what he meant, move on and make your point.

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      megggHatless Süspęçt and 6 others
      4/29/16 1:23pm

      This is hardly minutiae. Conflating gender and biological sex is actually a deliberate and calculated way to deny validity to those whose gender is not the same as their biological sex.

      Clip and magazine is just mixing up two parts of a gun. Conflating those doesn’t deny validity to gun owners.

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      Lannister HandjobHatless Süspęçt and 6 others
      4/29/16 1:41pm

      Ok, but understanding that there is a difference between born, biological sex and gender is the basis of the whole thing. Like, if he (and others who are watching her show) doesn’t get it it is actively harmful, especially if he’s speaking about it on TV and Meg isn’t correcting him.

      That guns have bullets and are easier to kill people the faster the bullets come, and the less you need to reload is a huge part of that discussion. What the vehicle for the bullet is does end up as a silly convo block.

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    Fabian KnockwurstRich Juzwiak
    4/29/16 1:19pm

    Has any media person asked any of these “whatever it says on your birth certificate” simpletons how their policies deal with genetic/gonadal medical gender ambiguities? There are clear edge cases that will always derail any stupid political scheme to define gender or individuals. Biology doesn’t care about foolish political pigeonholes.

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      MattFabian Knockwurst
      4/29/16 2:03pm

      Yep, i think the current terminology is ‘intersex’ to describe people born with both sets of genitalia.

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      Eager OphiuchusFabian Knockwurst
      4/29/16 4:22pm

      In the US, a doctor will assign one biological sex to an intersex baby, typically without input from either biological parent. The crazier part is that surgeries to alter intersex babies can occur without informing the parents — it’s like a trick to get the parents to think their kid is distinctly one sex or the other, and to avoid the risk of abandonment. This country has been creepy about this issue for a very long time. Anyway, that’s how the birth certificate can ultimately be used by that child for the purposes of peeing.

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    MattRich Juzwiak
    4/29/16 1:47pm

    Megyn Kelly is a goddamn enigma to me. I mean seriously. She’s obvious sharp as a damn tack. And shit like this obviously demonstrates that she can approached topics in a way that is nuanced and shows a deeper understanding of the issues at play, but then you see shit where she acts like a conservative shill mouthpiece and then just go ‘WTF?’. Like I said, a goddamn enigma...

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      gingerhammeredMatt
      4/29/16 1:52pm

      Remind me not to buy tacks where you buy your tacks.

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      swag-4daysgingerhammered
      4/29/16 2:09pm

      She was an attorney at Jones Day for 10 years. Dumb people do not succeed at white shoe law firms. You are terrible at shopping for tacks. Next time you need tacks be sure to ask Matt first.

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    GrumpyEagleRich Juzwiak
    4/29/16 2:03pm

    Remember that the prevailing narrative behind the defensiveness around transgender bathroom restrictions is that while they have nothing against transgender people, they’re terribly, terribly worried about an (imagined) flood of men dressed as women going into bathrooms for never-before-experienced levels of perversity and raping and stuff. Because that’s just a natural progression, in their fear-driven minds. (It's kind of weird, though, considering how many cases of exposure and the like seem to happen in men's rooms.)

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      Cuttlefish12GrumpyEagle
      4/30/16 9:46pm

      So they’re really worried that straight men won’t be able to control themselves if they see an opportunity to abuse kids or rape women? I’d be pretty fucking offended if I was a straight guy.

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      GrumpyEagleCuttlefish12
      4/30/16 10:33pm

      Again, if these protecting paragons of male virtue would expend a little more effort on teaching other men to not be rapey, that might help the situation as well.

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