Discussion
  • Read More
    CEFADlovahAnna Merlan
    4/29/16 11:05am

    I ate a Gracias Madre on Wednesday for the first time and it was quite delicious!

    I am not a vegan or vegetarian, but I don’t understand the outrage of someone deciding to ethically raise and slaughter their own animals for meat, especially since so many people are ethical vegetarians/vegans. Like if you have to work through the Circle of Life to get meat, you deserve it more than I do.

    Reply
    <
    • Read More
      MarillenbaumCEFADlovah
      4/29/16 11:13am

      That’s an excellent point. Personally, I do believe that are ethical ways of being a meat-eater, and it sounds like these people are doing that. Besides, even if they do eat meat, their restaurants are still providing a worthwhile service for people who choose to abstain from all animal products.

      Reply
      <
    • Read More
      Stig-a-saw-us wrecks loves nuclear power.CEFADlovah
      4/29/16 11:14am

      If the meat and other animal products stay out of the kitchens of their restaurants, I see zero issue with what they do at home. I’m doubting they are the first meat eaters to own a vegan restaurant.

      Way to prove a stereotype.

      Reply
      <
  • Read More
    Stig-a-saw-us wrecks loves nuclear power.Anna Merlan
    4/29/16 11:05am

    How do you know when someone is a vegan?

    Don’t worry, they’ll threaten to murder you and your family.

    Reply
    <
    • Read More
      GinAndTonic Got Stuck in the BarneyStig-a-saw-us wrecks loves nuclear power.
      4/29/16 11:07am

      Nicely done.

      Reply
      <
    • Read More
      PsonicPsunspotStig-a-saw-us wrecks loves nuclear power.
      4/29/16 11:20am
      Reply
      <
  • Read More
    Octopit didn't choose the burrito life, the burrito life chose octopit.Anna Merlan
    4/29/16 11:15am

    As in the passion of Christ, we all have to spill our blood for humanity to know the Father. The cow’s sacrifice was been ordained, ours we must choose.

    ALRIGHT, I was with you up until this bullshit. What the actual fuck.

    Reply
    <
    • Read More
      GELLA - LLAPOctopit didn't choose the burrito life, the burrito life chose octopit.
      4/29/16 11:18am

      aren’t vegans suppoused to be hippy dippy trippy????

      Reply
      <
    • Read More
      Octopit didn't choose the burrito life, the burrito life chose octopit.GELLA - LLAP
      4/29/16 11:33am

      Haha, that depends on the vegan I guess. A lot of the ones I have known have been pretty militant.

      Reply
      <
  • Read More
    DerbyDuck42Anna Merlan
    4/29/16 11:09am

    Vegans are against murder. Unless it’s the murder of humans that are killing animals for food.

    Seems legit.

    Reply
    <
    • Read More
      Octopit didn't choose the burrito life, the burrito life chose octopit.DerbyDuck42
      4/29/16 11:10am

      I mean, when I was vegan the only thing I craved was human flesh. I think that is just a thing.

      Reply
      <
    • Read More
      Citizen-KangOctopit didn't choose the burrito life, the burrito life chose octopit.
      4/29/16 11:14am

      Well...as long as it’s halal.

      Reply
      <
  • Read More
    JujyMonkey: Clever tagline goes hereAnna Merlan
    4/29/16 11:11am

    There’s a lot to unpack in this story. While I can kinda, sorta see how the client base can be.....unsettled by the Englehart’s decision, it’s ultimately none of anyone elses’s goddamn business since they’re not selling their meat. Even if you disagree with their decision on a moral/ethical/whatever basis....Death threats? Really Vegans?I’m cool with your beliefs, but c’mon folks.

    That said, them being part of Landmark Forum is unforgivable. I went to a meeting with a friend as a favor because a client of his kept insisting he check it out and man, I will never forget the nonsense they spew.

    Reply
    <
    • Read More
      woohooJujyMonkey: Clever tagline goes here
      4/29/16 11:13am

      “it’s ultimately none of anyone elses’s goddamn business since they’re not selling their meat”

      Even if they had a separate business in which they sold meat, who gives a shit? As long as their vegan restaurants are as advertised, everyone can go fuck off.

      Reply
      <
    • Read More
      JujyMonkey: Clever tagline goes herewoohoo
      4/29/16 11:28am

      You’re entirely correct and it was my overall point, but I’m trying to be impartial and I realize that some people are overly passionate about their vegan beliefs.

      Reply
      <
  • Read More
    GELLA - LLAPAnna Merlan
    4/29/16 11:13am

    OHH WHATEVER

    New research on plant intelligence may forever change how you think about plants

    http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-0...

    Reply
    <
    • Read More
      gravityadjustedGELLA - LLAP
      4/29/16 11:33am

      omg this argument is tired, buddy. plants don’t have sentience, they don’t have brains. just because they react to their environment doesn’t mean they have a sense of their own mortality. please. do better.

      Reply
      <
    • Read More
      Ara_RichardsGELLA - LLAP
      4/29/16 12:16pm

      I think that because plants operate on a different timescale than humans, we negate their experiences.

      Reply
      <
  • Read More
    CineCraftAnna Merlan
    4/29/16 11:12am

    I refuse to eat at this restaurant because I resent having to perform to their narrative in order to get food. Just serve me a goddamn sandwich, don’t make me have to spout some phony mantra you ripped off from some watered-down Eastern religion coopting self help book you found at Barnes & Noble.

    Reply
    <
    • Read More
      Wyette UrpCineCraft
      4/29/16 11:19am

      Can you explain for us outside CA?

      Reply
      <
    • Read More
      CineCraftWyette Urp
      4/29/16 12:25pm

      I’m out of Kansas City, and we have one in the arts district. Every menu item is named with a particular feel good mantra. For example, roasted sweet potatoes are called “Comforted,” and nachos are called “honoring” so instead of ordering what you want you have to stand there like a tool and say “I want a small side of honoring and comforted.” It’s bullshit.

      Reply
      <
  • Read More
    Stig-a-saw-us wrecks loves nuclear power.Anna Merlan
    4/29/16 11:07am

    A blog called My Vegan Journal was very unhappy: “After being vegetarian for over 40 years, they’ve now decided to kill the animals on their farm, package them up, and eat their bits and pieces.”

    Ok, what’s your point? They aren’t forcing you to eat it. MYOB.

    Reply
    <
    • Read More
      PegahStig-a-saw-us wrecks loves nuclear power.
      4/29/16 11:11am

      A lot of vegetarians and vegans use their purchasing power to support businesses they find to be ethical. So I can understand why people would be upset that the business they are giving money to has a farm where they slaughter animals.

      This is different from someone being mad that a restaurant that sells potatoes has a farm that also grows celery. There are moral and ethical implications involved with the killing of animals, especially for people whose vegan or vegetarian lifestyles are centered around that moral framework.

      Reply
      <
    • Read More
      Dbeds15Stig-a-saw-us wrecks loves nuclear power.
      4/29/16 11:13am

      I don’t get it? So restaurant owners need to be fully connected to the restaurants they own?

      So if I own a bunch of steak places, and I decide to go veterinarian, I lose all credibility instantly and I am betraying my customers?

      God it feels like people are are just searching for things to be pissed at now a days.

      Reply
      <
  • Read More
    Annie from the Grog BoothAnna Merlan
    4/29/16 11:13am

    So is it because they have decided to eat meat or is it because they are choosing to slaughter their own meat for consumption?

    Didnt Zuckerberg do that? I’m pretty sure Chris Pratt is doing that. (Killing their own meat for food.) I just can’t decide why these people are so angry. Maybe it’s because they haven’t had a delicious piece of steak and their iron levels are down and are craving blood.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Reply
    <
    • Read More
      mekkiAnnie from the Grog Booth
      4/29/16 11:57am

      It’s more they are keeping the restaurant open and selling an image of being “ethical” while secretly slaughtering and eating animals. Remember, they didn’t volunteer the information that they were doing this. They were outed. I don’t think they would be getting such treatment if they had closed the restaurant, announced that they were now meat eaters and re-opened the restaurant under a different theme. Maybe all-organic or something of the like.

      Reply
      <
    • Read More
      Annie from the Grog Boothmekki
      4/29/16 12:15pm

      They did volunteer the information. They wrote about it on their blog a year before anyone decided to talk about it.

      You’re acting like they are doing this as some big secret. It sounds to me like they are running a farm and are looking to be as Eco-friendly as possible. They clearly stated they are not using the meat for profit.

      I'm not sure why they shouldn't still serve the vegan community while themselves choosing to begin eating meat again? Are vegans that picky?

      Reply
      <
  • Read More
    HaHaYouFoolAnna Merlan
    4/29/16 11:39am

    These kind of fundamentalist vegans are of a piece with anti-abortion fanatics. It’s a purely emotionally driven belief that all death of this particular kind is an unconscionable murder perpetrated solely for the selfish benefit of the eater/woman. There is a righteous outrage about the self-interest involved in making the decision to eat meat/terminate an unwanted pregnancy combined with a belief that one holds an inherently superior view that the sacrifice is completely unnecessary because an equally beneficial, or possibly even better, path is readily available. These two things combine in the minds of these fundamentalists to completely unhinge them to the point where the sin of eating meat/abortion seems SO GREAT that violence against those who choose it seems an entirely reasonable response.

    Reply
    <
    • Read More
      Classicblanca FilmHaHaYouFool
      4/29/16 4:43pm

      On the “selfish” note. I can never get a straight answer from them on how people (like me) who absolutely need to eat meat fit into their logic. I cannot get protein through non-meat sources because I can’t tolerate much plant-based fiber due to colitis. There are millions of folks me. Meat eating in these cases are absolute necessity.

      Reply
      <
    • Read More
      HaHaYouFoolClassicblanca Film
      4/29/16 4:49pm

      That’s the problem with fanatical beliefs in general. Within the belief system, everything’s ordered and categorized with neat delineations. Out in the real world, there are caveats and unintended consequences and exceptions and shades of gray. The answer in your case is the same as the rape/incest/life-of-the-mother exception for abortion. It doesn’t fit AT ALL with the ideology, but it seems just too inhuman to force a literally life-threatening course of action on someone. So, they make a grudging exception for you and then try really hard not to talk about it very much. You’re absolutely right that it’s complete bullshit.

      Reply
      <