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    Cherith CutestoryAnna Merlan
    4/27/16 10:05am

    that the government and/or the medical establishment are attacking the family for their beliefs.

    Fuck, yeah, they are. Some people should be attacked for their beliefs.

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      ISpeakJiveCherith Cutestory
      4/27/16 10:08am

      Agreed. I just hope one day they realize, yes, you did let your son die. And it is your fault.

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      devintoddishCherith Cutestory
      4/27/16 10:08am

      I understand they’re mormon, so perhaps they would’ve had more latitude to kill their child here in the states.

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    imTired™thatisall is saving up for Gronk Cruise 2017Anna Merlan
    4/27/16 10:10am

    I just... I’m sorry but if my kid is obviously ill and what I’m doing isn’t working with zero signs of improvement I’d take him to the doctor. Hell I’d take him to whomever could save their life because my beliefs would be meaningless to me esp if it resulted in the death of my child.

    I don’t understand this mentality. I want to be empathetic. But I don’t understand it at all.

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      thetallblonde loves twinjaimTired™thatisall is saving up for Gronk Cruise 2017
      4/27/16 10:17am

      i don’t even have kids and i can’t fucking understand it

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      Kris-the-Needlessly-DefiantimTired™thatisall is saving up for Gronk Cruise 2017
      4/27/16 10:24am

      And the poor child was sick for TWO AND A HALF WEEKS! How do you look at your child’s worsening condition and not have that gut instinct to save your child?

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    JordanAnna Merlan
    4/27/16 10:10am

    Fuck those whackos.

    I bet they’re the type that post on Facebook about how apple cider vinegar cures cancer but big pharma doesn’t want you to know!

    Do whatever you want to your own stupid self, but you have a moral and legal obligation to give your child reasonable care.

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      MarillenbaumJordan
      4/27/16 10:18am

      It’s such bullshit. If apple cider vinegar actually did anything about cancer, pharmaceutical companies would drive its price through the roof.

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      BSTrainerJordan
      4/27/16 10:20am

      Someone I went to high school with developed a pretty rare kind of brain cancer (luckily he is now in remission) and he and his wife had to delete so many people on Facebook who were imploring them to try to cure it with apple cider vinegar and baking soda and marijuana. Their response was some variation of “we have two children and are not idiots so please fuck off”

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    ZhiBaChu: Awkward DetectiveAnna Merlan
    4/27/16 10:06am

    Good. If you’re an adult, feel free to be a guinea pig, treat, don’t treat, whatever.

    But it is your duty/obligation/purpose as a parent to ensure that your child gets the best, most effective care you have access to. The end.

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      toscatiosiZhiBaChu: Awkward Detective
      4/27/16 10:13am

      That’s the thing. I think if either of them were as sick as their child was they would have gotten themselves real medical care. They wouldn’t have put up with the misery. Their God-complex would have shut off real quick.

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      MsMenstruationZhiBaChu: Awkward Detective
      4/27/16 10:23am

      Even if you’re the adult, treat! So that you don’t spread your sickness to others. Or don’t interact with other humans until you’re better / dead.

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    crankylittlephotonAnna Merlan
    4/27/16 10:07am

    The Stephans’ case has sparked a larger debate in Canada about whether naturopaths, who are not exactly real doctors, should be allowed to treat children at all.

    The answer is NO.

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      BurnThisAccount45crankylittlephoton
      4/27/16 10:13am

      Naturopaths can do good but in conjunction with actual doctors. It’s called complimentary medicine for a reason and idiots like these give those of us, who believe naturopaths have a role to play alongside medical doctors, a bad name.

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      crankylittlephotonBurnThisAccount45
      4/27/16 10:14am

      Well said.

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    CafieneAnna Merlan
    4/27/16 10:31am

    I live bear where this is happening, and have some common friends with them, so have heard all sorts of things about this. I don’t blame their views of vax about this (was told the meningitis was the wrong one anyway). I don’t even blame them for trying to help at home- at first. But, when their naturopathic “dr” and an RN said to get him to the hospital, they should have. That, IMO, is where they fucked up.

    However, even with that, they aren’t totally to blame. That last day, they raced to the hospital and met an ambulance on the way. Baby needed to be intubated and the ambulance didn’t have pediatric sized equipment to do that! Testimony has said that he would have still had a chance if they had the right equipment. So, the parents pissed around too long, and then were let down by the medical system when they did turn to it.

    There is also talk that the long time ME lost her job when she criticized the popular narrative.

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      Kris-the-Needlessly-DefiantCafiene
      4/27/16 10:45am

      They let their baby suffer for 2 and a half weeks. They are 100% totally to blame.

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      kareemaCafiene
      4/27/16 10:56am

      TWO AND A HALF WEEKS BEFORE THEY DID ANYTHING REMOTELY RESEMBLING COMMON SENSE.

      I don’t know why you even bother to TRY to defend their actions by blaming it on the wrong size intubation equipment. The poor child was rigid enough they couldn’t get him in his carseat, for Jeebus’ sake.

      At that point, his chances of surviving were nil.

      And it’s all because the wrong equipment to you?

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    SneakrAnna Merlan
    4/27/16 10:14am

    “water with maple syrup, juice with frozen berries and finally a mixture of apple cider vinegar, horse radish root, hot peppers, mashed onion, garlic and ginger root”

    How did they even come up with this list? It sounds like they just went around their kitchen and grabbed whatever.

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      KendalMintcakeSneakr
      4/27/16 10:29am

      I think they had some weird supplement company and believed they were nutrition experts.

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      The Real JanelleSneakr
      4/27/16 10:32am

      I’ve read about many/most? of these things being miracle cures (they’re not), so I’m guessing they just put everything together into a single disgusting concoction.

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    designbotAnna Merlan
    4/27/16 10:07am

    I think I’d put the scare quotes around ‘Remedies’ FWIW. The naturalness is not in doubt, the ability to remedy anything is...

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      Doodlesdesignbot
      4/27/16 10:34am

      Well, I mean, arsenic is natural, and that’s not going to really help people keep on living.

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      helgaperezDoodles
      4/27/16 10:39am

      Before the advent of antibiotics, arsenic was used to treat syphillis. Still, not the best option.

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    HRHDuchessNapsalotAnna Merlan
    4/27/16 10:32am

    What I don’t get about naturopaths is that they always claim that “back in the old days” people healed themselves with these natural remedies. Well, no. They didn’t. They usually died. They might not die of a little trifling cold or fever (although some did!) but they died in large numbers of diseases that today have been eradicated or are largely treated by modern medicine.

    Look, do I think you need to hunker down with a year’s supply of NyQuil and Tylenol to ride out a cold? Nah. If you’re an otherwise healthy person with no immune issues, let your body do its thing. But things like seizure disorders, immune problems, freaking MENINGITIS? For fuck’s sake, GO TO THE GODDAMN DOCTOR.

    There is a very good reason women don’t, on average, pop out 11 kids these days, hoping 2 will make it out of infancy. It’s because we have cool things like SCIENCE to help us get better when we are ill.

    That poor baby.

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      kareemaHRHDuchessNapsalot
      4/27/16 11:01am

      Totally agree. Go to any old (and I mean old) cemetary for even 15 minutes, and look at the headstones. Many are people/children who would have lived had they had modern medicine.

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      LeighWHRHDuchessNapsalot
      4/27/16 11:07am

      As my grandfather says..

      “People who miss the good old days don’t remember them right”

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    SipowitzAnna Merlan
    4/27/16 10:05am

    #good

    Parental rights don’t trump your child’s right to adequate healthcare.

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