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The Noble RenardBrendan O'Connor
4/19/16 11:01am
Fun fact: Utah is the Number One state for pornography consumption in the US, almost certainly because of the incredibly sex-negative attitudes of the Mormon Church. So, good job Mormons; by being so uptight about sex, you’ve actively created the monster you want to avoid.

Oh, and that Gail Dines article in the Washington Post is hot trash. As Dan Savage pointed out this morning, pornography rates have increased massively in the last couple decades at the same time as rates of sexual violence have gone way down. If the two were actually correlated then that wouldn’t have happened.

~~stricter punishments on computer technicians who find child pornography in the course of their work and fail to report it to the authorities.~~

That.... seems unconstitutional. I’m struggling to find a reason why that would be a permissible law. I can’t imagine that it is. I honestly can’t think of a single other criminal law requiring reporting. Lots of laws open people to civil liability (get your ass sued), but even for things like child abuse I can’t think of any one where there’s a positive reporting requirement that is backed up by criminal penalties.

Edit: Never mind, I’m woefully unaware of those laws, apparently.
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  icantwiththis1678The Noble Renard
  4/19/16 11:05am
  Mandatory reporting laws are on the books in all 50 states. Criminal ones. Some of them specify that computer techs are mandatory reporters, and some don’t, but these types of reporting laws have been in place for decades.
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  Omar Bradley LittleThe Noble Renard
  4/19/16 11:08am
  My Ex-Mo step-dad put the Mormon stance on sex perfectly: they know how to focus their vice. The Missionaries I talked to during my weird, brief period of religiosity made it very clear that sex was hugely important, even on a celestial level (they couched the word in the cringeworthy term “creating.”)
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det-devil-ailsBrendan O'Connor
4/19/16 11:06am
“The resolution, sponsored by Senator Todd Weiler, declares that pornography “normalizes violence and abuse of women and children” and that it “equates violence towards women and children with sex and pain with pleasure, which increases the demand for sex trafficking, prostitution, child sexual abuse images, and child pornography.”

What the hell kind of porn is this little red-eyed pervert watching?
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  Duffindet-devil-ails
  4/19/16 11:13am
  Regardless, studies show porn actually quells those desires, not intensifies them. Exactly like violent video games. When you can experience out the fantasy in porn, it keeps you from wanting to do it in real life. There are little to no instances of a rapist escalating to rape after watching simulated rape porn, for example. That’s all shit made up by Law and Order SVU.
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  Kyuzodet-devil-ails
  4/19/16 11:22am
  Exactly. You have to actively go looking for child porn. You don’t just stumble onto it.
  
  As for abuse of women, I can’t disagree. There’s a little too much “rough stuff” out there.
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IAmNotADamnWriterBrendan O'Connor
4/19/16 10:55am
So how soon will it come out that Gary Herbert has been linked to bestiality porn sites and a child porn ring among Mormon elders?
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  LindaIAmNotADamnWriter
  4/19/16 10:58am
  Fingers crossed!!!
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  GoDiscs66IAmNotADamnWriter
  4/19/16 10:59am
  Exactly! Those who protest loudest...
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Hip Brooklyn StereotypeBrendan O'Connor
4/19/16 10:56am
Recent research indicates that pornography is potentially biologically addictive, which means the user requires more novelty, often in the form of more shocking material, in order to be satisfied.

“Take my word, I’ve searched high and low for new stuff that will excite me.”

-Gary Herbert
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  noodlesinthefaceHip Brooklyn Stereotype
  4/19/16 10:59am
  Jokes aside, it is a valid point. Healthy consumption of pornography is healthy (tautology alert), but the proliferation of it and the availability of it to younger people does impact their sexuality. You’ll see that younger girls are growing up with the expectation that certain actions are just expected of them (versus something discussed and agreed upon between consenting partners, with anyone able to say “no, I’m not okay with that.”)
  
  I’m on a work computer so I’m not about to google “porn research study child sexuality”, but it is a concern that warrants discussion.
  
  Note that I’m not saying “it is a concern that warrants the exact action the Mormons in Utah are taking” though.
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  TheBurnersMyDestinationHip Brooklyn Stereotype
  4/19/16 11:08am
  These people never seem to understand that there is no way to talk about regulating porn with enough enthusiasm to get people on board with the idea AND not sound like a total pervert.
  
  “I've done research on this topic. Hours and hours of research. It kept me up at night. I've burned through two different laptops. It's bad stuff."
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ww1383Brendan O'Connor
4/19/16 10:55am
This can’t really be one of Utah’s top 20 problems?
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  Bulfrightww1383
  4/19/16 10:57am
  The folks at NIH can think of some more pressing public health crises....
  
  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
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  IAmNotADamnWriterww1383
  4/19/16 10:58am
  Just below the difficulty of getting a new hairstylist and wardrobe consultant for Warren Jeffs’ sister wives and teen daughters.
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dontcallmemimiBrendan O'Connor
4/19/16 11:22am
Legislating morality for consenting adults seems like a silly hill to die on, but speaking as a female with male friends who grew up in the internet porn sweet spot, it has dramatically skewed the way men and women view, approach, and consume sexual activity.
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  AnnieBodydontcallmemimi
  4/19/16 11:27am
  How so? I’m genuinely curious in what ways. The way they expect sex to go down? What acts they want?
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  dontcallmemimiAnnieBody
  4/19/16 11:41am
  Interestingly, I think it’s as nefarious for men’s psyche as it is for women. And to clarify, I’m not at all anti-porn, but I find that my male friends feel like they’re expected to have more sex than they’re having, perform in unrealistic ways without resorting to pharmaceuticals, and then your assorted money shots/choking/whatever. Again, not things I’m opposed to on their face (har har), but things that are not representative of the mainstream.
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MockingbirdHillBrendan O'Connor
4/19/16 11:21am
Porn normalization can also be linked to healthy things like de-stigmatization of desire (especially female desire) and a huge spike in acceptance of homosexuality among straight folks.

Correlation is not causation but the increase in porn availability sails right along with the increase in support for gay marriage. Allowing safe, private avenues for sexual exploration allows people to make up their minds free of the fear of the unknown.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/w…
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  lorem ipsumMockingbirdHill
  4/19/16 11:43am
  Jesus fuck. Porn is about degrading and abusing women sexually. What is your definition of “healthy”?
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  AgentChangolorem ipsum
  4/19/16 11:52am
  So who does guy on guy porn degrade? Or female only, female made, erotic movie novelizations that don’t even include actual sex? Have you even seen porn? There’s literally a zillion formats, and sure some of it is obviously degrading to women, but some also empowers them. There’s good and bad in porn just as there is in any other aspect of life. Your hardline stance isn’t following actual logic.
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Freddie DeBoerBrendan O'Connor
4/19/16 10:58am
to be treated similarly to how tobacco is treated.

Imagine if most everybody was walking around with a device that could produce and disseminate cigarettes to whoever wanted to consume them at any time anywhere in the world at near-zero cost. How well, do you think, would our anti-tobacco efforts function in that case? Because that’s the world we live in with pornography: anybody with a smartphone can produce it and send it to an audience of millions in a matter of minutes.-
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  Serin9XFreddie DeBoer
  4/19/16 11:05am
  Little bit of a difference there in that tobacco actually kills people. Once again a conclusion based on results rather than risk factors. If she could have shown that masturbation kills people, I promise you she would have done so with a smile on her face.
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  BosoxBobFreddie DeBoer
  4/19/16 11:18am
  It's laughable to think they can keep porn away from children who want to view it. Like restricting the sale of Playboy and the like did much to keep the magazines out of the hands of teenagers.
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woorijipBrendan O'Connor
4/19/16 11:03am
This is a major victory for feminist and Christian conservatives and a major blow to social libertarians. After the Supreme Court’s gay marriage ruling, the pendulum is swinging swiftly in the other direction.
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  GDSmithwoorijip
  4/19/16 11:28am
  Yeah ..... not so much.
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  DoobyOnewoorijip
  4/19/16 12:12pm
  It’s cute that you think that.
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MockingbirdHillBrendan O'Connor
4/19/16 11:16am
“No matter what you think of pornography (whether it’s harmful or harmless fantasy), the science is there,”

Sure. NOW they care about science.
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  DR honkhonkhonk, tyvmMockingbirdHill
  4/19/16 5:07pm
  It’s not even good science. Bleh.
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