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ZukkaHamilton Nolan
4/15/16 11:55am
I’m curious, what is the rationale that people use when they say “nah fuck that” to a carbon tax? That it makes the cost of doing business to high? That it makes us less competitive in comparison to companies in other countries that don’t have a carbon tax?
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  JohninLAZukka
  4/15/16 11:57am
  The pull-string Reagan doll many have in their heads that goes “taxes are bad.” I’m not sure the rationale gets any deeper.
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  dwaynegothisballsironedtotakethewrinklesoutZukka
  4/15/16 12:01pm
  Because what difference does it make if we tax it while China and India continue to pour millions of tons of pollution into the atmosphere?
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AllModConnedHamilton Nolan
4/15/16 11:58am
I think the Carbon Tax portion of last night’s debate crystalized one of the major issues voters have with Hillary Clinton. Bernie asked her if she supported a Carbon tax multiple times and the technique of her response should be exposed for what is was. She said she “has”, “had” and “have” supported but never said does support a carbon tax. She wants you to believe, with her slight of hand, that she does support it, but she really doesn’t. It was quite pathetic and reminded me of why most people just don’t like the Clinton brand of politics. It’s all about saying whatever it takes to win the moment, no matter what her real positions is or what the facts are. She did this countless times last night and I hope that NY voters saw through her subterfuge.
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  JeususMessiahComplexAllModConned
  4/15/16 12:03pm
  Son you must not know of triangulation. Also another example is when Clinton says her coalition is made up of African Americans, Latinos, Asians, etc. And her husband as a surrogate of the campaign at a campaign stop goes on a condescending racist tirade about how BLM protects “people you claim lives matters.” Although I think this has to do more with protecting his legacy which has justifiably becomed damaged in the age of Obama, and not necessarily about appealing to racist white voters in the general election, although it had that affect.
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  SydergaawdAllModConned
  4/15/16 12:10pm
  It’s all about saying whatever it takes to win the moment, no matter what her real positions is or what the facts are.
  
  Clearly, because everything Bernie Sanders talks about doing is based on fact.
  
  (rereads Bernies NYDN interview)
  
  Wait just a second here....
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Roll with the SquanchesHamilton Nolan
4/15/16 11:55am
Carbon tax is the smartest, conservative, capitalistic, free market idea that’s been proposed in quite a while.
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  A SPOOKY GHOST!Roll with the Squanches
  4/15/16 12:07pm
  Which is why it will never ever go anywhere.
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  benjaminalloverA SPOOKY GHOST!
  4/15/16 12:18pm
  I agree, and here’s why;
  
  After sifting through nearly 1,800 U.S. policies enacted in that period and comparing them to the expressed preferences of average Americans (50th percentile of income), affluent Americans (90th percentile), and large special interests groups, researchers concluded that the U.S. is dominated by its economic elite.
  
  http://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-fi…
  
  http://journals.cambridge.org/action/display…
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Sluicer's ghostHamilton Nolan
4/15/16 11:55am
We also need a marijuana tax. Oh, the hell with it, why not tax people on the number of miles they drive too....
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  kate_smashSluicer's ghost
  4/15/16 12:00pm
  Many states do tax based on how much one drives—it’s called a fuel tax.
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  A SPOOKY GHOST!Sluicer's ghost
  4/15/16 12:06pm
  Are there no taxes on gasoline where you live?
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Hollow_LogHamilton Nolan
4/15/16 12:01pm
if you are going to tax sin, you better tax cos and tan too.

My apologies for going off on a tangent.
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  Roll with the SquanchesHollow_Log
  4/15/16 12:11pm
  *claps in linear time*
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  ThatFatScatCat fucking loves muddy puddlesHollow_Log
  4/15/16 12:13pm
  Boy, that joke had a lot of ups and downs.
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SteveInWIHamilton Nolan
4/15/16 12:05pm
The problem with any sin tax is that whatever the stated intentions, the government does not actually want the “sin” to go away, because they are too dependent on the money from it and usually for completely unrelated programs.

In theory, if we said for example that smoking causes costs to society and therefore we should create a sin tax on it and use the money to pay for those costs - healthcare and such, that would be great. If the tax was set wisely, then as fewer people smoked and the revenue was reduced, the societal costs would also go down. What actually happens is that the money is used to fund something completely unrelated (because it’s more politically palatable to pass a sin tax to pay for it than expect the rich to pay more), and as revenues go down, politicians freak out.

I'm not anti-carbon tax, but the idea of passing one and using the money to fund, say, a guaranteed minimum income, leads me to ask: what do we do when people change their lifestyles and revenue from the tax plummets?
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  benjaminalloverSteveInWI
  4/15/16 12:16pm
  The money should go to fund clean energy so that it can compete, so that as the carbon economy dwindles, subsidies to other forms of energy do too.
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Sid and FinancyHamilton Nolan
4/15/16 11:57am
Don’t forget about taxing churches.
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ThenSAHamilton Nolan
4/15/16 12:02pm
When does it end?!?

They are trying to tax soda as a sugary drink! Now it is going to be taxed as carbonated drink!!

UNREAL! SMDH!
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okie2Hamilton Nolan
4/15/16 1:53pm
no sin taxes are taxes to slow or stop behavior. A carbon tax is a tax against the modern world. It is a tax against the whole world everything from food and transport, to everything with plastic, metal or aluminum in it and the electricity that powers the internet he works on.. i Guess Mr Nolan considers the world he lives in to be a sin and wants to hurt it.
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  Rev Les Crowleyokie2
  4/15/16 3:25pm
  You’re not wrong. In America, both the extreme left and extreme right have their roots in loony strains of Protestantism.
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LongSnakeHamilton Nolan
4/15/16 11:56am
Too bad the supposedly progressive Democratic frontrunner does not support a carbon tax.
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