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Bears for PresidentAnna Merlan
3/28/16 9:29am
I don’t know, I sort of think the state has a point here. What’s to stop me, a man, from claiming to identify as a woman in order to use a public women’s bathroom in the hopes that it will be marginally less gross?
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  randilynisFINDILYNBears for President
  3/28/16 9:31am
  BWAHAHA. Have you never even peeked in a Ladies? They’re usually 1,000 times more gross. :)
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  UmbraBears for President
  3/28/16 9:34am
  Yeah, have at. They're still gross. I'm 37 weeks pregnant and just want to run in to public restrooms to pee every five minutes, but I have to go through every stall to find one some bitch didn't decide to hover over and just pee all over the seat. ;P
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JujyMonkey: Clever tagline goes hereAnna Merlan
3/28/16 9:31am
Where are we getting the funding to hire enough people who will make sure my birth certificate is accurate every time I take a whiz?
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  purplesuadeshoesJujyMonkey: Clever tagline goes here
  3/28/16 9:36am
  See, it’s not really a discriminatory law— it’s a jobs creating one!
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  EllaMinnowPeeJujyMonkey: Clever tagline goes here
  3/28/16 9:38am
  The GOP: government small enough to fit into a public restroom.
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Paranoid Android (sometimes says dumb things)Anna Merlan
3/28/16 9:45am
Well, it’s obvious that discrimination is unconstitutional but what are these bigots banking on? A sympathetic circuit court judge and a split Supreme Court? That’s the best case scenario for those religious nutbags.

We should continue to put pressure on companies that are based/relocating/expanding there. Those people may not actually practice decency and kindness but they do understand losing money.
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  SipowitzParanoid Android (sometimes says dumb things)
  3/28/16 10:27am
  They’ll argue that LGBT aren’t a protected class and thus not subject to equal treatment guarantees. Kinda silly considering SCOTUS already said that hetero-only marriage laws were unequal treatment...
  
  ETA: Also, in legalese, they’ll make the “state interest” arguments et al. It’ll be very frustrating and condescending towards LGBT/anyone with a brain/empathy, but they’ll probably lose in the end.
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  FreshlyShavenParanoid Android (sometimes says dumb things)
  3/28/16 10:27am
  The conspiracy theorist in me says they’re happy that all the controversy is about the homophobic and trans-phobic parts of the law while the parts that roll back wage increases and other pro-worker policies get ignored completely.
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tkrvAnna Merlan
3/28/16 9:41am
I had this discussion with friends yesterday. Before these past few years, were there ever any laws that mandated you can only use the bathroom assigned to your gender? Because myself and just about every woman I know have used a men’s restroom to avoid the huge line for the women’s.
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  Gypo Nolantkrv
  3/28/16 9:57am
  Please don’t misuse the word “myself” like this—Jesus, would you say “Myself went to work today”? Ugh—it makes you sound ignorant and every time you use it like that, people like me die a little inside.
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  helgapereztkrv
  3/28/16 9:57am
  Most jurisdictions have not had any laws mandating who can use which bathroom. The bathroom panic only started when Republicans realized trans people had been peeing next to them for years, and they’d never noticed.
  
  Also because greater acceptance has allowed people to start transitioning while still in school, and some people would rather freak out than have a sensible conversation with their kids.
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MarillenbaumAnna Merlan
3/28/16 9:39am
This law has been such a fucking embarrassment. As a Black woman with roots in North Carolina, I come from a family that has some experience with old white men in Raleigh trying to say which bathrooms we could and could not use. It’s been heartening to see the protests that have been going on throughout the state—I was at one in my town last week, organized by local trans activists, and we’re showing up at a city council meeting tonight to advocate for a no-confidence measure against McCrory’s leadership. Luckily, our city council thinks this is bullshit, too, and they’re on the right side of it.
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  no-maude-noMarillenbaum
  3/28/16 10:02am
  as embarrassing as this law is, it’s really highlighted some of the awesome progressive groups that are doing good work in our state... and I love to see that since we’re so often painted with the broad “redneck backwater” brush by well-meaning people who have never been here. McCrory has been a damn nightmare and as expensive as this will be I’m glad it’s making a fool of him on a national stage.
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  A SPOOKY GHOST!Marillenbaum
  3/28/16 10:11am
  I agree. I grew up in NC and I am very ashamed.
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AnonymousCivilPersonAnna Merlan
3/28/16 9:40am
It has gotten to the point that I feel sorry for people named Caroline and Florida by association.
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  CaveyAnonymousCivilPerson
  3/28/16 9:49am
  Cousin Indiana doesn’t fair much better.
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  Mike Pipper Super GIF EnthusiastCavey
  3/28/16 10:20am
  
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OMG!PONIES!Anna Merlan
3/28/16 9:34am
I’m 41 years old.

I'm fairly certain that I've already been in a bathroom with a transgender person. Even if I didn't know it at the time.
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  MarillenbaumOMG!PONIES!
  3/28/16 9:41am
  And let’s remember that more senators have been arrested for misconduct in bathrooms than transpeople.
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  TheBurnersMyDestinationMarillenbaum
  3/28/16 9:46am
  Ouch! Excellent point ;). Also, I can’t be the only cis woman in the world who has used a men’s single bathroom where there is a long line for the women’s. It’s not the end of the world, and honestly no one has ever even looked twice when I did it.
  
  Also: some places have co-ed bathrooms anyway (my brother’s school does) and they seem to survive
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upperliphairAnna Merlan
3/28/16 10:29am
I don’t think I understand. They want to protect us from deviant men that will dress up as women to spy on or assault us in the restroom........so their solution is to force actual men to use the women’s restroom?

I mean, come on, NC, do you really think this guy should be in the women’s potty?

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  old and pissed offupperliphair
  3/28/16 2:33pm
  well...I wouldn’t mind seeing him in the ladies room...or anywhere else
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  upperliphairold and pissed off
  4/02/16 1:15am
  I certainly wouldn’t mind, either. But I’m sure all the bigots getting their panties in a twist over the idea of sharing a bathroom with trans people are going to care quite a bit.
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VoteyMcVotefaceThePartyVoteDriverAnna Merlan
3/28/16 10:35am
This bill is horrible and shitty on it’s own. But it’s also terrible because it’s a smokescreen to hide a ban on cities increasing the minimum wage.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archi...

Instead, legislators returned to the state house to overrule a local ordinance in Charlotte banning discrimination against LGBT people. A bill written for that purpose passed Wednesday evening and was signed by Governor Pat McCrory, a Republican. In the House, every Republican and 11 Democrats backed the bill. In the Senate, Democrats walked out when a vote was called, resulting in a 32-0 passage by Republicans. The law not only overturns Charlotte’s ban: It also prevents any local governments from passing their own non-discrimination ordinances, mandates that students in the state’s schools use bathrooms corresponding to the gender on their birth certificate, and prevents cities from enacting minimum wages higher than the state’s.

Emphasis mine. This entire thing shows that the state government is trying to enforce it’s control over the more liberal leaning city government. This of course comes from the party of “small government”. The problem is that it’s their souls that are small, not the government.
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  TheOperaGhostVoteyMcVotefaceThePartyVoteDriver
  3/28/16 1:42pm
  Another part of the law, according to my friend who is a lawyer in NC, is that it bars ANY type of nondiscrimination suit from being filed in the state’s courts. Get fired because you are pregnant? Too bad. Get kicked out of your apartment cause the owner doesn’t like your service dog? Find a new place to live. Etc. Etc.
  
  Of course, one could still file a federal lawsuit, but that’s so much more expensive and there aren’t as many lawyers with federal court experience.
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IHateGoatsPartDeuxAnna Merlan
3/28/16 11:12am
You know what confuses me? Every guy I’ve ever gone to a stadium with always says drunk women come into use the bathroom regularly. So is that currently illegal?
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  helgaperezIHateGoatsPartDeux
  3/28/16 11:53am
  Nope. Not in most jurisdictions, anyway. Ever since gendered bathrooms came into existence, social convention has kept men mostly in the men’s lavatory and women mostly in the women’s lavatory. Of course there are exceptions: when the women’s line is too long, when an opposite-gendered caretaker needs to assist a disabled person, when a man can’t find a changing table for his infant in the men’s room, or when someone simply doesn’t notice they are in the wrong bathroom. It doesn’t make sense to pass legislation like this. Just let people pee in peace.
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  Umbrahelgaperez
  3/28/16 12:46pm
  Right? At bars with gendered (but single occupancy) restrooms, we constantly usher in the opposite sex if their line is long and they seem in a hurry. And it works both ways, though it’s usually ladies using the men’s room (we ladies TRY to get men to go in ours, but they usually decline; when they offer to us, we’re impatient enough to just say OK!).
  
  Are you gonna go into a restroom, do your business, wash your hands and keep to yourself other than a polite nod or saying you like my handbag? Then idgaf who you are. You can pee with me.
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