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    MelUK (aka kayakgrrl)Stassa Edwards
    3/25/16 10:58am

    I know aborting fetuses because of a diagnosis of Down’s is very controversial, which is why it’s specified in this bill. But what about other far more severe disabilities? The kind of conditions that cause a child to lead a short and painful life? (Tay-Sachs is one that comes immediately to mind.) These technically aren’t completely incompatible with life, as the child could feasibly live for a few years, at great cost (emotionally and financially). I know some people do choose to continue such pregnancies, but it’s also very understandable if a parent would want to terminate as well. So where do such conditions fall under this law?

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      randilynisFINDILYNMelUK (aka kayakgrrl)
      3/25/16 11:02am

      I think (without much knowledge) that Tay Sachs might be a loophole, especially since there isn’t a religious objection to abortion in Judaism (life starts when the baby exits the womb)

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      MelUK (aka kayakgrrl)randilynisFINDILYN
      3/25/16 11:06am

      Yes, but you’re thinking like a rational person, particularly one who puts the beliefs of the parents into consideration. Tay Sachs was just the very first example to pop into my head, as there’s a large number of other horrific health conditions that cause short and painful lifespans.

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    randilynisFINDILYNStassa Edwards
    3/25/16 10:49am
    “prohibits abortions that are based only on the unborn child’s sex, race, color, national origin, ancestry or disability, including Down syndrome.”

    I thought all abortions were based on the same thing. A woman’s right to have one.

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      assmonkeysaysI'mBRITNEY, BITCH!randilynisFINDILYN
      3/25/16 10:55am
      GIF
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      I'm Fart and I'm SmunnyrandilynisFINDILYN
      3/25/16 10:56am

      Has the sex of the fetus ever been a factor? 90% of abortions are done before 12 weeks, and you can’t find out the sex of the fetus until 16-20 weeks.

      Also very interesting that they are so concerned about discrimination when it comes to a fucking fetus since they have a history of actively fighting legislation that prevents discrimination practices in pretty much every other aspect of society.

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    crankylittlephotonStassa Edwards
    3/25/16 11:01am

    It mandates that women be required to bury or cremate the fetus post-termination

    This is so massively, creepily, insanely fucked up that I CAN’T EVEN.

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      comeonpoppetcrankylittlephoton
      3/25/16 11:05am

      Right? Of all the shit in the bill, this is the thing that made me reread the paragraph 5 times.

      I... don’t even.... is this enforceable? How the fuck does this work?

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      ISpeakJivecrankylittlephoton
      3/25/16 11:12am

      Yeah, this is the worst. Also, how does one go about burying a lump of cells, in what would essentially be a blood clot? How does one bury something the size of a fingernail?

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    chrisbee13Stassa Edwards
    3/25/16 10:54am

    Does “disability of the fetus” include things like “my baby doesn’t have a brain” or “my baby has a deformity that will lead to immediate death upon birth” because, ummm, fuck Indiana

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      randilynisFINDILYNchrisbee13
      3/25/16 10:57am

      I wonder... Where does this cross over with the Zika threat?

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      MelUK (aka kayakgrrl)chrisbee13
      3/25/16 11:01am

      I would think such conditions that are incompatible with life would potentially be permitted, but that’s just me using common sense, which is likely not to be the actual case in this bill. I just posted a similar question regarding conditions that aren’t incompatible with life (like the ones you described) but instead are survivable for a few short and painful years (like Tay-Sachs).

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    weebleswobbleStassa Edwards
    3/25/16 11:17am

    Any disability or defect. That, presumably, also rules out abortions for genetic disorders like Tay Sachs where the children die in pain. What the hell is wrong with these people.

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      MelUK (aka kayakgrrl)weebleswobble
      3/25/16 12:14pm

      Yes, especially as the “lethal fetal anomaly” exception ONLY applies to conditions that would lead to death WITHIN 3 months of birth only. And puts a bunch of extra stipulations even for this exception, including the 18-hour waiting period and information about perinatal hospice.

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      KittyReavenweebleswobble
      3/25/16 1:01pm

      Yea but your dead Tay Sachs kid gets to go to heaven if they’ve been good for a few years, which makes it worth it.

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    stacyinbeanStassa Edwards
    3/25/16 11:16am

    We had a Down Syndrome scare with my son who is now six weeks old, waiting for the results of that testing and questioning whether we should have the baby, one we wanted desperately after a prior miscarriage, was the hardest thing I’ve ever been through in my entire life. Fuck anyone who tries to politicize that. Something like 90% of women choose to terminate T21 pregnancies, who are these assholes to determine the wishes of a huge majority of women going through something so horrible?

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      Grim3stacyinbean
      3/25/16 11:21am

      The first round of tests for our son showed a high risk of Down Syndrome. Subsequent testing showed he didn’t have it, but we definitely discussed whether we would consider abortion and I can’t imagine having that option be illegal.

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      stacyinbeanGrim3
      3/25/16 12:17pm

      That's exactly what happened with us, it was awful. I barely slept or ate for two weeks waiting on the results of that testing. The ridiculous thing is that all the women have to do is say they just don't want to carry the pregnancy anyway and they can have an abortion, this is just another way to make women feel like shit for making the best choices for them.

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    KatMarloweStassa Edwards
    3/25/16 10:54am

    Coincidentally, coat hangers at all Indiana Wal-Mart’s are on sale this weekend.

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      MelUK (aka kayakgrrl)KatMarlowe
      3/25/16 11:08am

      I actually haven’t seen wire hangers in stores for ages.

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      Masshole JamesKatMarlowe
      3/25/16 11:11am

      We’re clearly headed for a future where there’s going to be underground railroads bringing women from the South and Midwest to Northern and Western States for abortions.

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    HobbylobbyistStassa Edwards
    3/25/16 11:32am

    I find it interesting that Indiana, Texas, etc. haven’t put forth any legislation to limit the number of embryos that can be implanted during IVF. Doctors often implant a large number, which can result in an unsafe number of fetuses. That leads to abortions because it puts the health of the mother and the fetuses at risk.

    So why no laws around this? Maybe because it’s predominantly wealthy white women who get IVF.

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      MEtheBarbarianHobbylobbyist
      3/25/16 11:50am

      I’ve been wondering this same thing. Plus many actively choose the gender as part of that reduction process.

      Or is forcing someone to carry quintuplets next?

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      HobbylobbyistMEtheBarbarian
      3/25/16 12:00pm

      Depends— Are they wealthy and seeing a private doctor? Then they can do whatever they want.

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    K8theGr8Stassa Edwards
    3/25/16 11:25am

    This absolutely disgusts me. Of course, Indiana (my home state) would do this - monkey with a woman's right to chose and determine what is best for her life and her family - rather than fix some of the glaring problems that could help people in the state. Fuck Mike Pence. No wonder companies and people don't want to move there. Between this and the freaking "religious freedom" law, I am horrified.

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      NotYourCheese3K8theGr8
      3/25/16 11:31am

      Former Hoosier here too. No wonder everyone who has means and opportunity leaves as soon as they can.

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      HappyPiranhaNotYourCheese3
      3/25/16 1:09pm

      *raises hand* yep, Hoosier refugee here too. Although I moved to Florida . . . not sure if that helps! (I have now escaped to California.)

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    ThirdAmendmentManStassa Edwards
    3/25/16 10:58am

    The bill bans women from seeking abortions based on race, gender or disability of the fetus

    How fucking rich. Republicans are perfectly happy to discriminate based on race or gender for children and adults but won’t somebody think of the fetuses!

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