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    Slay.douché - (dreams to be a puppy)Joanna Rothkopf
    4/07/16 12:52pm

    “that the students were bad writers and would never be hired elsewhere once they left school”

    Obviously the Provost has never heard of the little invention called THE INTERNETS.

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      Angelica SchuylerSlay.douché - (dreams to be a puppy)
      4/07/16 12:56pm

      nah, that’s just a series of tubes

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      jasperetteSlay.douché - (dreams to be a puppy)
      4/07/16 1:04pm

      I went to journalism school and a week or two before I graduated a visiting professor told the senior-level class I was in that we were terrible and would never get hired. This was in 1992 before the internet. Fuck that guy.

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    Thayder, SJWJoanna Rothkopf
    4/07/16 1:16pm

    I guess even administrators need a safe space too.

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      crouching tigerThayder, SJW
      4/07/16 1:31pm

      haha!
      (replying in the vain hope that my gray support will bump this excellent comment higher)

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      Thayder, SJWcrouching tiger
      4/07/16 1:38pm
      GIF
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    Angelica SchuylerJoanna Rothkopf
    4/07/16 12:52pm

    Newly grateful for the editorial independence I had as a student journalist. The issues we had with admin seem so minor when compared to the examples here.

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      Blueberry JonesJoanna Rothkopf
      4/07/16 2:21pm

      “He Ate My Booty Like Groceries”

      Dead.

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        LizardJeffBlueberry Jones
        4/07/16 4:15pm

        Eh — “groceries” is a weak simile.

        After all, groceries can include all kinds of unpalatable and inedible things like household cleaner, dog food and even toilet paper.

        “He Ate My Booty Like a Grand Buffet” has a better ring to it.

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        SaroLizardJeff
        4/07/16 10:57pm

        I don’t know, there’s something really there with “groceries”. I can’t quite understand it, but I was trying different options out (because I had a similar thought, that groceries encompasses too wide a variety) and none of them measured up. “Grand Buffet” is too... prosaic, or something.

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      she-raJoanna Rothkopf
      4/07/16 5:28pm

      Hm. My university paper has an annual “best places to have sex on campus” feature. Pretty sure that even still nobody reads the thing.

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        rockoutwithyourbockoutshe-ra
        4/07/16 9:37pm

        Did you go to Indiana?

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        pixelpusher220rockoutwithyourbockout
        4/07/16 11:52pm

        “In de Anna” was #3 on the list

        “In her Arkansas” #2

        and “Her Mississippi Delta” #1

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      ElephantShoe2Joanna Rothkopf
      4/07/16 1:02pm

      Overall, I think this is a good experience. He’s dead wrong about those students not getting hired for what they’ve published in that issue; on the other hand, your chances of working at a paying publication that gives you complete autonomy as a journalist is slim-to-nil. Whether we like it or not, journalism (that isn’t an individual blogging) is a business; it’s tied to the “values” of the people with money. Hopefully those values include journalistic freedom, but almost everyone has a line they won’t cross for journalistic freedom. That line was much lower at a Jesuit college. These students are learning to negotiate the parameters of “freedom of speech”—actually, with all of these college controversies as well as the Gawker lawsuit, we all are. I feel bad by the college students who are being clobbered by our learning curve right now, but ultimately it’s healthier to honestly delineate those ethical boundaries and the reality of their financial contingencies.

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        SexiCodexElephantShoe2
        4/07/16 4:22pm

        I agree and would add it is not only tied to value but subject and content also. If I am hired to pen a piece on Cruz’s Bronx rally after his “NY value” comments and I write instead about his poll numbers compared to Clinton a boss would rightly fire me or find issue with my work. I was hired to cover a certain job. Others are hired to cover other jobs. It is not an issue of free speech but of work content.

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      vegbrarianJoanna Rothkopf
      4/07/16 2:01pm

      Poor sad Puritanical American colleges...

      Meanwhile, in Canada, the crowning achievement of the student newspaper of my alma mater was the “Purity Test”. Completing the test is a yearly ritual, and we used to compete with each other to see who had the highest score and was therefore the most debaucherous of them all.

      An excellent time waster, if you’d like to take this year’s edition: https://thegatewayonline.ca/2016/02/purity...

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        jpomonkeyvegbrarian
        4/08/16 12:44am

        Ugh. America’s puritanical history is ruining it for the lot of us. I might take this test sometime when I’m really bored, though. Thanks for the link!

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      MasterKimboJoanna Rothkopf
      4/07/16 1:13pm

      I feel like this headline is hugely misleading, seeing as how one of the sources said it’s not actually about the sex articles (which, sidebar, of fucking course it would be frowned upon at a Jesuit school - not the consent one, but the rest definitely).

      I feel like student newspapers have to go through this bullshit all the time. We did at my Jesuit college back in the mid-aughts (something with a dispute over the faculty adviser), and you know what the students did? Started up a different newspaper to give the middle finger to the administration and also report what they wanted to report, how they wanted to report it.

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        Shocked RiversJoanna Rothkopf
        4/07/16 1:14pm

        The school handled this poorly, with the insults, firing the advisor, etc.

        But a Jesuit (The Pope’s marines) university with a strong religious identity? And you thought they’d be cool about booty-eating and other things that to the church are potentially mortal sins?

        Did the newspaper have any rules or guidelines in place about content?

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          HighLikeAnEagleShocked Rivers
          4/07/16 3:56pm

          My Jesuit university didn’t give a shit, and we had stuff like that all the time in our paper.

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          Shocked RiversHighLikeAnEagle
          4/07/16 4:18pm

          What university?

          Many Jesuit universities, and catholic universities in general are actually quite liberal, almost secular, like Gonzaga, Notre Dame, Loyola, DePaul. (It’s a bone of contention among some conservative catholics.)

          That’s why I said strong religious identity, because many of them don’t have a strong one, or have dropped it practically speaking.

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        YoSupJoanna Rothkopf
        4/07/16 1:06pm

        “The First Amendment doesn’t apply to newspapers at private institutions”

        That’s false, the government can’t ban or censor newspapers at private institutions. Presumably you meant to say that a private actor can’t violate the First Amendment, because it’s a rule against certain types of laws.

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