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Wayward ApologyAlex Pareene
3/18/16 5:42pm
I’m not going to lie, I am absolutely salivating at the idea of a brokered convention attempting to select a not Trump if he has the most delegates but not enough for the nomination. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that it turns violent and it will be absolutely hilarious to watch.
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  BusPassTrollop curls up and diesWayward Apology
  3/18/16 5:46pm
  I mean I think it will turn violent too, but I don’t really want to see that. :( I would prefer to watch the Republican party implode, yes, but at what point are we sure that it won’t affect everyone negatively? The Trump supporters are the rabid ones with guns. This won’t end well.
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  fonduelacWayward Apology
  3/18/16 5:47pm
  Not “hilarious”, but I will be popping corn.
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mochadevilgirlAlex Pareene
3/18/16 5:35pm
I have never seen the establishment of both Democratic and Republican parties so shrill, angry and organized in their attempts at stopping people from obtaining their party nomination. Their desperation to hold on to power is sickening, offensive and desperate.
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  snakebitemochadevilgirl
  3/18/16 5:48pm
  Honest question: do you really think it’s the same? Like, I know Bernie is a lot less likely right now, but it is still possible for him, in a way that i don’t think it’s possible for a non-Trump Republican. I haven’t seen a lot of people calling for him to drop out, in fact I’ve more seen stay in it despite the odds to move Hillary left. This could all be due to Trump-only coverage, of course. I’m just curious if it seems as extreme to you.
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  BIMming Itmochadevilgirl
  3/18/16 5:51pm
  I don’t think the Democrats are trying to prevent Trump from being nominated, just trying to prevent him from winning. The republicans, on the other hand, are clearly working against the plurality of their voters.
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TheEvilAttorneyAlex Pareene
3/18/16 5:54pm
Crazy theory. But could Romney be pushing for this to try to cause the Tea Party-ish people to split off from the GOP? It sure seems like that could be a likely outcome if his scenario happens.
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  Myrna Loy's Side-EyeTheEvilAttorney
  3/18/16 6:00pm
  The theory I thought was even more crazy until I looked it up was the possibility of Romney using a brokered convention to become the nominee for the Republican Party. I looked on a lark and couldn’t believe it’s an actual thing that could happen.
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  PowersurgeonTheEvilAttorney
  3/18/16 6:02pm
  I have a theory that because he is so tired of this Tea Party crap, McConnell wants the Republicans to lose badly this year. He is safe no matter what happens.
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octrojanmanAlex Pareene
3/18/16 5:41pm
Romney keeps refusing to officially endorse one of the remaining candidates in the race. It’s almost as if Mitt has someone else in mind to become the nominee at the convention...
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  snakebiteoctrojanman
  3/18/16 5:48pm
  How many times does this one man want to not be elected president? It’s shocking!
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  Beet Arthuroctrojanman
  3/18/16 5:50pm
  
  whoa whoa whoa
  
  who might you be referring to?
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Dashiell HammletAlex Pareene
3/18/16 5:35pm
now that we’re talking Cruz again, time to re-tip hat to comedy:

I’ve also heard

Fat Dracula, which is pretty good.

While I’m at it.

Trump IS the GOPs StayPuff Marshmallow Man, they picked the form of their destructor.
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  flamingolingoDashiell Hammlet
  3/18/16 5:49pm
  Thank God Cruz and Trump are so fugly. If either were handsome or charming, I’d be a lot more worried about November.
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  Gregoireflamingolingo
  3/18/16 6:04pm
  In term of appearance, people went for adorable boy-men over handsome gentlemen in the last several election cycles. Now that Fire Island towel boy Marco Rubio is out of the race, Hillary is the closest to an adorable boy-man.
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Drake's TurtleneckAlex Pareene
3/18/16 5:56pm
See, here’s the thing.

When the topic of a brokered convention is raised, the usual phrase that follows is some variation of “subverting the will of the people” or a phrase that is spiritually similar in meaning. That’s not what it is from where I sit.

I’ve said this before, but what you’re seeing right now is the violent and always-inevitable breakup of the true GOP (which prized their money and keeping it at the exclusion of all other middling concerns, including gays, gun control and religious issues) and the redneck yokels they had to court by pandering and peddling all that bullshit once they realized that there weren’t enough rich people to successfully vote them into office.

What it would be is the “mind on my money and my money on my mind” GOP subverting the will of a minority of GOP voters who they never really wanted in the first place and now cannot afford to keep around since they’ve begun shitting on the floor and wiping their asses on the drapes. It’s a cleanse.
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  flamingolingoDrake's Turtleneck
  3/18/16 6:00pm
  I agree with your take on the situation, except I don’t think it’s a “minority” of GOP voters who are shitting on the floor. Reasonable, responsible adults are the minority in the Republican Party.
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  Drake's Turtleneckflamingolingo
  3/18/16 6:34pm
  Anymore, yeah. It’s been such a long time, I don’t expect any newer voters (not saying you are one or that you fall into this category; we seem to agree on a lot) to remember, but time was that “republican” was not synonymous with “awful person.” Whether or not those republicans died off, went into seclusion as the party went off the rails or both, the fact remains that there was and still is a powerful portion of the party that doesn’t give a fuck about 99% of the modern GOP’s policies or platforms. I believe this is that sect attempting to wrest control of the party back while divesting themselves of the yokels who took them down this path do they can look for another potentially less volatile underserved voter base to pander to.
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Frankenbike666Alex Pareene
3/18/16 6:19pm
I really think people need to appreciate this election for what it is: a spectacular once or twice in a lifetime event, where the puppeteers didn’t take their hand picked candidates to the general election with little to no resistance. Obama might seem like a break from that, but Obama was as much an establishment candidate as Clinton in 2008.

What you have this year is unique: both parties may have a convention fight on their hands.

The Republicans will try to steal the nomination from Trump. A move guaranteed to garner a loss in November. And a move which will hurt their congressional candidates and any state offices up for election in the general.

And if Sanders is right about the upcoming primaries, the same might happen at the Democratic convention. Only, he’ll accept a loss and even campaign for Clinton if the party is willing to bend on his economic platform. Unless he comes in with the most “elected” delegates.

The only way the Democrats can lose in November, is if Sanders has a majority of the vote, and the party uses its superdelegates to defeat him. If the party discards the “will of the people”, it will be war inside the party. Which it is not now. If it’s war, a large percentage of Sanders voters will not show up.

What we’re seeing, is the way primaries were meant to be. Contested and brutal. The less transparent the parties are, the more trouble it would make.

And honestly, while I can’t stand Trump, I think if they take the nomination away from him, assuming he’s earned it or close, his people should riot.

I’d say the same for Bernie supporters, but Sanders isn’t exactly about his career as president, so much as his policy agenda. And Sanders is an expert at getting his way. He’s proven to be vastly more of an expert politician and fundraiser than the DNC gave him credit for, much to their chagrin.
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  Tohru Adachi Returns From TartarusFrankenbike666
  3/18/16 6:29pm
  The notion that Trump could have 3x or 4x the number of votes as second place and the party arbitrarily decides to have some random other person be the nominee is patently ridiculous. If trump doesn’t win the nomination outright, the GOP will have to suck it up and make Trump the nominee in the second round. Hundreds and hundreds of people who traveled all the way to the convention to vote for Trump aren’t going to turn around and change their votes to Romney.
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  bit-fairytaleFrankenbike666
  3/18/16 6:30pm
  Actually, Sanders STRONGLY implied yesterday that if he does not have the nomination in terms of pledged delegates come the convention, he’ll try to get superdelegates to vote for him. So what’s going to happen on the dem side is either Sanders wins the nomination in pledged delegates (unlikely, even with the slew of pro-Sanders states coming up over the next week or so) or Clinton wins in pledged delegates and SANDERS is the one trying to circumvent the will of the people via superdelegates.
  
  Maybe Clinton will do the same thing, but she hasn't implied it like Sanders did, and I honestly don't think it's likely she'd go that route if Sanders won the delegate count because she's faithful to the party. She'll campaign for him just like she did for Obama.
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SGCAlex Pareene
3/18/16 5:40pm
Why is it “EVEN a plurality”? Trump has received, and will continue to receive, about 40 percent of the votes cast. Why does this entitle him to the nomination? If it were a two-person race, he’d be considered a landslide loser. I truly don’t get why anyone (except Trump) has a problem with a convention where they keep voting until someone gets 50 percent.
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  Raging BulldogSGC
  3/18/16 5:46pm
  Trump’s voters aren’t exactly the cream of the crop. Most of them are drawn to him because they feel like they’ve been some kind of victim and he’s going to fix it. Granting someone else (who will probably be a much more suitable candidate) means the Man has wronged them again.
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  RaiderDuckRaging Bulldog
  3/18/16 5:59pm
  This may be the single greatest marketing job of our time: a lilly-white blue-blood, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, who received every financial advantage growing up and has resided in the posh sections of Manhattan his whole life, has convinced the Cletus and Billy Ray crowd that he’s one of them.
  
  Incredible. Simply incredible.
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det-devil-ailsAlex Pareene
3/18/16 5:38pm

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A.C._Greens_VirginityAlex Pareene
3/18/16 5:39pm
I thought the craziest political happening I’d ever see in my life was the the Grey Davis recall election.

And then this happened.
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  BaggyTrousers3A.C._Greens_Virginity
  3/18/16 5:50pm
  I though it was the night they forced Eugene Sawyer to become temporary mayor of Chicago after Harold Washington died and people were protesting outside City Hall chiding him because they knew those who had opposed Washington his whole term (mostly because he was black, a bit because he was progressive, which come to think of it was a foreshadowing of what went on in Washington DC) were just propping up Sawyer to manipulate him and they kept chanting “How much, Saywer, how much?” suggesting that he had been paid off to take the job, and Ald. Dick Mell running out of the Council Chambers yelling “We have a new mayor! WE have a new mayor!” as if forcing Sawyer to take the job was a good thing and hearing reports of Sawyer almost at the verge of tears because he didn’t want the job.
  
  But this is pretty crazy too.
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  Kenhe LoginBaggyTrousers3
  3/18/16 6:38pm
  Lord, I had forgotten all of that craziness. Thanks.
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