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chipmunkfaceEllie Shechet
3/14/16 11:17am
I have the same reaction to Donald Trump as I do to these young men who, accused of rape and, in several instances, found “guilty” to an extent sufficient to warrant some sort of punishment, sue people. (That guy from Columbia tried to sue on the basis that HIS rights, as accused rapist, should have been protected by Title IX.)

Disbelief, befuddlement, confusion...I feel like one of those prim old ladies who clutches her pearls when she hears her granddaughter swear, even though she’s not entirely sure what the swear word means.

But there’s another part of me, a very angry part of me, wants to punch these motherfuckers in the throat. Because, as absurd, ludicrous, and dystopian as the system must be to let these fuckers feel entitled to compensation for the trauma they suffer when people get mad at them for raping people, it’s not a fucking joke.

I don’t CARE that you’re bummed people don’t support you.

I don’t CARE that you’re college plans hit a bump because of the university’s decision.

I don’t CARE that you’re worried modern media will allow your name to be forever connected with this.

ALL OF THESE SITUATIONS ARE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS MOTHERFUCKER. SUE YOURSELF FOR BEING SO GODDAMN AWFUL.

/the end
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  Kony Tornheiserchipmunkface
  3/14/16 11:20am
  Except: What if he really didn’t rape here?
  
  It would be nice if people showed a little more humility in determining guilt/innocence in situations like this. The 30 for 30 last night on the Duke case only further reinforces that we probably should.
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  Mayotonillachipmunkface
  3/14/16 11:35am
  Did you read the Washington Post about the marine that claimed he did nothing wrong and then the reporter finds in his investigation that he actually did sleep with his student (I personally think he also raped the other woman)? I think that article shows male entitlement big time. I'm so glad the reporter found the truth. I highly recommend the article it came out last week.
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thetallblonde loves twinjaEllie Shechet
3/14/16 11:06am
based off his facial hair, dude is guilty af
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  Bears for Presidentthetallblonde loves twinja
  3/14/16 11:11am
  It’s the only Judicial system I want to be a part of.
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  thetallblonde loves twinjaBears for President
  3/14/16 11:17am
  
  GIF
  
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montgirlEllie Shechet
3/14/16 12:02pm
I’m not saying that I believe he is innocent, but universities do get it wrong, particularly when they are under scrutiny for mishandling rape. Anybody remember Jordan Johnson, the star quarterback at the University of Montana who was accused of rape? He was immediately expelled from the university (who was under investigation at the time for mishandling sexual assault). He was also tried by the county for rape (who was under investigation by the justice department for mishandling sexual assault). He was found innocent after a jury trial. The university separately reversed his expulsion on appeal. He just sued the university, and the university settled for half a million dollars for its incorrect handling of his case. As far as I’m concerned universities don’t know how to handle rape, period, whether you are a victim or the accused.
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  Dinosaurs and Nachos, girlfriend!montgirl
  3/14/16 12:49pm
  Except there is no such thing as “found innocent.” It’s “not guilty” and it doesn’t mean that you didn’t do it. It means that it’s possible that you didn’t do it, or there wasn’t enough conclusive evidence to prove that you did it, or the defense picked a really good jury.
  
  So....I kinda hesitate to say that the university necessarily got it wrong. They probably have a lower standard of proof than a criminal trial, so it’s entirely possible that both the university’s decision and the trial decision were the right ones in their respective settings.
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  VeryVickymontgirl
  3/14/16 12:50pm
  So they were wrong in expelling a guy one time but let thousands of rapists stay in school with their victims? Sounds like real life.
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thetallblonde loves twinjaEllie Shechet
3/14/16 11:32am

DO NOT ENGAGE THE TROLLS
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  Sipowitzthetallblonde loves twinja
  3/14/16 11:38am
  I’m usually so good about it, but I’m still hungover rn and my finger slipped =\
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  AntisocialJusticeWarrior is not Anti-SJWthetallblonde loves twinja
  3/14/16 12:13pm
  BOOOOOST!
  
  Red Guard especially seems to be in full MRA troll engagement mode today.
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MisfitToyEllie Shechet
3/14/16 11:05am
So he's never been accused of rape except for that one time he was accused of rape?
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  thetallblonde loves twinjaMisfitToy
  3/14/16 11:16am
  
  GIF
  
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  HobbylobbyistMisfitToy
  3/14/16 11:25am
  Don’t you remember? All white men are guaranteed one free rape.
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BoBannaEllie Shechet
3/14/16 11:21am
Montague’s attorney is really hitting those discrediting stereotypes hard, isn’t he? “She previously consented to sex with him, so how could she later decline?!” “Her behavior immediately after the alleged rape isn’t what I think I would do if I was assaulted, so she must be lying!” Let me guess, she’s also had sex with other people before and since the alleged rape, so 1) she’s obviously a slut and sluts can’t be raped, and 2) she wasn’t sufficiently traumatized to abstain from sex for the rest of her life, so it couldn’t have been real rape.
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  chipmunkfaceBoBanna
  3/14/16 12:03pm
  ^^This^^
  
  I think the biggest issue we have in determining “what happened” in cases of sexual violence is that, more often than not, there is no physical evidence (blood, bruising) or any physical evidence could be dismissed as consensual (semen), and it happens behind closed doors. So, defense lawyers, in order to defend their clients, rely on character assessments and past behavior, and the reality is that those things are usually not permissible in other legal situations, and they’re TOTALLY IRRELEVANT in these situations.
  
  I find it profoundly disturbing that people genuinely, GENUINELY believe that anyone other than the ideal victim (a conveniently amorphous idea which shifts as needed) cannot be victimized. It’s so shockingly regressive, because it highlights how inappropriate our understanding of bodily ownership and entitlement is. We had sex before, so I couldn’t rape her. She didn’t respond as an ideal victim would have, so I couldn’t rape her. The sky is blue, so I couldn’t rape her.
  
  I wish we could come up with a better means of trying these situations, because reverting to these terrible, terrible assumptions about victimhood only reinforces them as legitimate sources of information. And they’re not. They’re absolutely not.
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  2016chipmunkface
  3/14/16 12:19pm
  “Beyond reasonable doubt” is pretty much a pillar of USA’s guilty vs. innocent concept.
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norbiznessEllie Shechet
3/14/16 11:10am
“So your client is in fact being punished for the crimes as a surrogate for somebody of a higher class who employed him in their service?”

“What?”

“You said ‘whipping boy.’ We demand precision in our idioms, sir. WE ARE YALE!” (clarion trumpets sound)
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  Hobbylobbyistnorbizness
  3/14/16 11:25am
  I actually laughed out loud at this.
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MarthaMyDearEllie Shechet
3/14/16 11:29am
I don’t find it unfeasible that she would return to bed with him.

After I was raped, I remained in bed with the guy for a good few hours. I only realised I had been raped months later when on a bus, travelling home from work. It changed everything.
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  MayotonillaMarthaMyDear
  3/14/16 11:40am
  I was not raped but received unwanted touch. I let the guy touch me while I froze there because I was confused and scared. I did get out of there quickly afterwards but I did reach out to him later! Because I thought maybe I had lead him on by being friendly and agreeing to go to his office to see his computer! When one is young and the world has been telling you all your life that it’s YOUR responsibility how men treat you one thinks all sorts of stupid things that yes some times lead you to reach out to someone that just hurt you! Sigh. I wish men understood that.
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  chipmunkfaceMarthaMyDear
  3/14/16 12:08pm
  The morning after my rape, when I was still bleeding and in pain, I hugged my rapist, kissed him on the cheek, and told him I’d “see him later.”
  
  I didn’t realize it was rape until much later, either.
  
  i don’t know how we’re supposed to react to our rapes. Scream? Shout? Wave it all about?
  
  Apparently there’s some sort of “Ideal Rape Victim Behavior” handbook floating around (all defense lawyers seem to have a copy) and, damn if I can ever find one to get my hands on!!
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Bears for PresidentEllie Shechet
3/14/16 11:08am
Fun fact: A “Whipping Boy” was a term for a someone would attend school with a member of the monarchy and when the young prince misbehaved and would incur the sorts of beatings they gave to school children in those days the designated “whipping boy” would take the beating instead because it would be seen as unacceptable for a teacher to put his common hands on a future King or whatever.

Which isn’t that fun, I suppose.
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  Vladimir "Polonium 210" PutinBears for President
  3/14/16 11:19am
  In some cases, the “Whipping Boy” became very close friend of the royal princes and even rewarded by them later in life. I think Charles 1 even made his an Earl.
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  DashleyinCaliBears for President
  3/14/16 11:20am
  Yeah, weird call for the lawyer to use that phrase unless he’s implying that someone else is guilty of the assaults and his client is taking the punishment for him.
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DaisyLadyEllie Shechet
3/14/16 11:12am
“But...guys! Other basketball players get to rape people all the time and never get expelled. Why meeeeeee?”

-Jack Montague
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  Jammy DodgerDaisyLady
  3/14/16 2:00pm
  EXACTLY.
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