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    KaidogAlex Pareene
    2/05/16 11:55am

    And Bernie Sanders seems to think ISIS is a country.

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      ideasleepfuriouslyKaidog
      2/05/16 12:00pm

      well, a de facto one at the moment.

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      AmmortalKaidog
      2/05/16 12:00pm

      It’s trying to be.

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    reasonmethisAlex Pareene
    2/05/16 12:16pm

    You forgot about the part where he opened China, pioneered the policy of detente with the USSR, and negotiated the end of the Yom Kippur War which led to the Camp David Accords. By your definition, every single one of our SecDefs has been a war criminal, which I’m sure you think they are. I’m glad men/women like Kissinger run our foreign policy, not idealists and dreamers like you and apparently most of the commenters here.

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      benjaminalloverreasonmethis
      2/05/16 12:31pm

      By your definition, every single one of our SecDefs has been a war criminal, which I’m sure you think they are.

      You can’t do so much more harm than good and then complain when people have the audacity to say so. If you support war criminals you can’t be so sensitive.

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      reasonmethisbenjaminallover
      2/05/16 12:35pm

      See that’s where we disagree. IMHO his policies and strategies did more good than harm. And I don’t think I’m being sensitive by pointing that out.

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    AllModConnedAlex Pareene
    2/05/16 11:52am

    Give her time. She will also be remembered as a war criminal.

    “We came, we saw, he died, cackle-cackle-cackle!”

    -HRC

    How is that Libyan regime change HRC style working for the people of North Africa?

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      the actual bajmahalAllModConned
      2/05/16 12:48pm

      Yes she did say, “we came, we saw, he died.” and followed it up with a woman’s laugh — that you have tellingly chosen to characterize as a cackle. But you do realize that she was talking about Gaddafi, you know — world-wide pariah, internationally known sponsor of deadly terrorist acts, brutal, butcher of his own people? If she had been an adult in any position of power at the end of WWII, she likely would have joked in a similar fashion regarding Hitler or Mussolini.

      So, how is regime change working? At the moment it’s pretty chaotic and kind of terrible — like a lot of new things, there are birth pangs. As is typical of brutal dictatorships, their overthrow often leads to civil war — likely because the only thing that was keeping the disparate demographic groups together was the brutal dictator. But they'll work it out eventually. Are you saying that they should have stayed subjugated? The rebels asked for military help and we gave it to them — we didn't invade, we didn't force freedom upon anyone here. True, they are sinking or swimming mostly on their own because of Benghazi, but 1) Benghazi in the end, isn't anyone "fault" and 2) and it's better that they should be handling their own affairs anyways. Other than as regards to Libya's relationship to ISIS, as long as their isn't any genocide or other humanitarian crisis, we and the rest of the world need not be further involved.

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      AllModConnedthe actual bajmahal
      2/05/16 12:53pm

      How entitled and out of touch you are to talk about birth pangs. Is that what Iraqis have been going through since 2003? Birth pangs? Is that like tough love?

      So I can’t make fun of the Secretary of State’s evil laugh because she is a woman? Go fuck yourself... oh wait, you already did that with your response to my comment.

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    Free Market Party CompanyAlex Pareene
    2/05/16 11:55am

    The point I’m making here is not, [Glenn Greenwald voice] HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTS A WAR CRIMINAL. ...It’s that Hillary Clinton exists in a world where “Henry Kissinger is a war criminal” is a silly opinion held by unserious people.

    Nicely put. That she’d even publicly acknowledge a compliment—and admit she was flattered by it—suggests a certain tone-deafness.

    If she were running for the Repub leadership it would have been awesome.

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      opiumsmabytchFree Market Party Company
      2/05/16 12:03pm

      If she were running for the Repub leadership it would have been awesome.

      There would have been a standing ovation and jets flying overhead with fireworks.

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      flamingolingoopiumsmabytch
      2/05/16 12:06pm

      Nah. Republicans are contrarians motivated entirely by partisanship. They won’t view this endorsement as a positive for Clinton, but as a mark against Kissinger’s judgment.

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    RL DookiefuckAlex Pareene
    2/05/16 12:07pm

    This is the problem with “Sander’s theory of bottom-up revolution”:

    He’s running for the top office in the land, with no espoused interest in building an organizational infrastructure to support and assist those down ticket progressive politicians who are supposed to make his revolution actually come to fruition.

    You can be as skeptical as you want about the National Democratic party, but they’re the ones with offices in every county in the country working to get actual progressives into office.

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      AnnieBodyRL Dookiefuck
      2/05/16 12:20pm

      Wait are you kidding with that? He constantly talks about how the key to his campaign is to build a progressive grassroots structure that will help ensure he has the political capital and powerbase to push through meaningful progressive reforms. He literally says that it is crucial that progressive voters turnout and help push down ballot races in the democratic/progressive direction and continue to do so on the local level and in off-cycle elections. By bottom-up he means get enough support among everyday, individual Americans to push through change at the top.

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      RL DookiefuckAnnieBody
      2/05/16 12:25pm

      And he expects all of that to happen based on the force of his own personality without the funding, polling and support of a party infrastructure that he has spurned for the last twenty years.

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    TheBurningAnnexAlex Pareene
    2/05/16 11:49am

    If a man takes praise from a war criminal it’s fine, but when a woman does it all of a sudden it’s a problem.

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      theUnBetrothedTheBurningAnnex
      2/05/16 11:57am

      If a man uses a private email server when he’s SecState it’s fine, but when a woman who is Hillary does it, suddenly it’s treason.

      Even though she knew where her private server was.

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      sfltrack0000theUnBetrothed
      2/05/16 12:03pm

      So, you are calling General Petraeus a woman?

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    SohrabAlex Pareene
    2/05/16 12:04pm

    It’s “unserious and silly” to disagree with her decision in... Drum roll... Iraq, Syria, Libya, the list continues. Her foreign policy mindset and views are almost indistinguishable from W Bush. I don't understand how Sanders hasn't attacked her for her role in Libya ((not Benghazi)). The fact is she voted in 2002 for the Iraq war and then went again and made the SAME decision in Libya to the same detrimental effect. Now Libya is a (surprise!) breeding ground for terrorism because of the power vacuum. She didn't learn from 2002, she continued it.

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      Rev Les CrowleySohrab
      2/05/16 12:25pm

      Theory: our real goal in the mid east is provoking widespread civil unrest, so they’re busy fighting each other and don’t cause trouble elsewhere.

      Discuss among yourselves.

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      the actual bajmahalSohrab
      2/05/16 1:17pm

      Libya was also a breeding ground for terrorism before there was the power vacuum. So, actually no surprise(!) at all.

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    keverdeneAlex Pareene
    2/05/16 12:12pm

    I don’t understand why this is a problem.

    I hear this as, “HRC is so good at being in charge, even fascist assholes have to admit she’d be a good boss.”

    What the fuck is wrong with that? If Mussolini begrudgingly told me he thought I made the trains run on time better than people from his own party, I’d be like, Damn, that’s worth mentioning at my next performance review.

    Y’all do realize the Executive Branch employs thousands of people, right?

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      Rev Les Crowleykeverdene
      2/05/16 12:18pm

      “Hitler told me I had great campaign ads!”

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      keverdeneRev Les Crowley
      2/05/16 12:22pm

      LOL. Shit’s gotta get done, is all I’m saying. And it’s all SHE’S saying. She clearly does not support Kissinger’s policies. Any fool who thinks so is a conspiracy theorist.

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    GrizzlyAdamsBeardAlex Pareene
    2/05/16 11:53am

    “Bernie Sanders’ critique of Clinton is not that she’s cartoonishly corrupt in the Tammany Hall style, capable of being fully bought with a couple well-compensated speeches, but that she’s a creature of a fundamentally corrupt system, who comfortably operates within that system and accepts it as legitimate. Clinton has had trouble countering that critique because, well, it’s true. It’s not that she’s been bought, it’s that she bought in.”

    This is the most truthful assessment of Hillary Clinton I have read yet. I think it deserves credit.

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      AmmortalGrizzlyAdamsBeard
      2/05/16 12:01pm

      I’m gonna borrow that quote and put it on some Bernie meme.

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      digitalrevisionGrizzlyAdamsBeard
      2/05/16 12:05pm

      I came here to quote the exact same thing. Honestly, I think this is the best way I’ve seen this put. It’s what I’ve been trying to express about my dislike for HRC but haven’t been able clearly state.

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    benjaminalloverAlex Pareene
    2/05/16 12:13pm

    The sort of room it would have played well in, really, is the sort of room in which the worst people in the country congregate. The fact that Clinton lapsed into speaking as if she were in that room is more or less why she’s having trouble, once again, convincing the Democratic electorate to nominate her for the presidency.

    This is such nice encapsulation of my discomfort with Clinton.

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      Gruff McGruffbenjaminallover
      2/05/16 12:33pm

      Absolutely true. I thought it was such a weird thing to say. I was like “What Democrat would be impressed with a compliment by Henry Kissinger?”

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      benjaminalloverGruff McGruff
      2/05/16 12:42pm

      It’s that terrible habit of misjudging or forgetting which audience you’re speaking to. She’s done this a couple of times during the campaign- laughing at the journalist who asked about the Goldman Sachs transcripts, for instance. It isn’t just those particular issues either, it’s the clear fact that she presents herself so differently to different interest groups. It’s not a habit that inspires trust or hope.

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