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    HarvestMoonClover Hope
    2/04/16 1:45pm

    I think he did it.

    Steve Avery too.

    (ducks)

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      Chanting TantrumHarvestMoon
      2/04/16 1:47pm

      Dude, so with you. I think he did too - big time

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      ValiexiHarvestMoon
      2/04/16 1:49pm

      I’m a little less sure of Avery, but yeah, Adnan totally did it.

      And the beard....it needs to go.

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    Little Green FrogClover Hope
    2/04/16 2:24pm

    Hae is dead. Adnan did it and Jay helped him cover up.

    I get that Adnan’s trial was shoddy but the outcome was not wrong. I don’t understand why Jay never was held accountable.

    I feel so bad for Hae’s family, having to go through all this again with the possibility of Adnan getting out.

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      kinjaihateyouLittle Green Frog
      2/04/16 2:37pm

      That the trial was shoddy matters the most. Sorry to sound cliché but when it comes to the law, we cannot allow the ends to justify the means. I am also sorry for Hae’s family but even if Adnan is guilty, he deserves a trial fairer than the one he got, especially since our understanding of technology has changed in his favor since his first trial. Defendant rights trump not wanting a victim’s family to suffer through all this again.

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      Paranoid Android (sometimes says dumb things)Little Green Frog
      2/04/16 2:45pm

      Jay was never held accountable (for helping someone else) because the detectives constructed a narrative that he could eventually repeat on the stand. The guy is still lying about what happened and changing his story as recently as last year.

      The detectives threatened to give up jurisdiction and let him get charged with felony murder of he didn’t cooperate. They didn’t officially charge him with a crime until after the second trial and hand picked a private lawyer for him.

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    DaisyLadyClover Hope
    2/04/16 2:14pm

    After listening to the Undisclosed podcast, I am much less convinced that he’s guilty. I mean he still could be for all I know, but the prosecutors and detectives did so many shady things that weren’t even revealed in Serial. It is easy to see that they weren’t after the truth, they were after a closed case.

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      KtBellDaisyLady
      2/04/16 2:32pm

      The detectives intentionally ignored so much exculpatory evidence, like the lividity? You’re so right about them just wanting to close cases. What really struck me when listening to Undisclosed was that both detectives on this case, and in fact almost all the detectives who had anything to do with the case, had been involved in cases of misidentification or railroading where innocent people went to jail.

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      DaisyLadyKtBell
      2/04/16 2:44pm

      Right?! And then the prosecutor outright lied about Asia’s willingness to testify, withheld key evidence like that AT&T fax cover sheet that questioned the validity of the evidence, and so much more.

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    K8theGr8Clover Hope
    2/04/16 2:09pm

    BUT WHAT ABOUT THE NISHA CALL?!

    Side note: I think he did it, but with all the questionable evidence, I don’t understand how he got convicted.

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      dinosaurpukeK8theGr8
      2/04/16 2:18pm

      That’s my issue, as well. Hey may have done it, but there was just not enough evidence to convict him. Innocent until proven guilty seems to just be a rule of thumb these days.

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      Paranoid Android (sometimes says dumb things)K8theGr8
      2/04/16 2:40pm

      That was a buttdial from Jay. I’m still pissed that Att charged me for a 6 minute butt dial back in ‘99. They used to charge you the moment a number is dialed even if the call didn’t actually connect. The phone could keep ringing for all that thing without a pickup and att would bill for that time.

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    johnseaveyClover Hope
    2/04/16 1:46pm

    So many people love ‘Serial’, including my wife, but I can’t listen. Because every time I listen, I remember that there are thousands of Adnan Syeds in prison right now, convicted on flimsy evidence with nobody to champion them, and it just makes me want to curl up in a little ball and cry.

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      MegSwanjohnseavey
      2/04/16 2:11pm

      If you want to help, you should donate to the various Innocence Projects around the country.

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      Star Trek Book of Oppositesjohnseavey
      2/04/16 11:27pm

      I listened to Serial, Undisclosed, etc., I believe in Adnan’s innocence and, beyond that, I see how (sadly) desperately the work of the Innocence Project is needed in this country. Then I read the off-hand “But he did it tho, duh” comments on all related Jezebel posts and I feel sick.

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    Ken MClover Hope
    2/04/16 3:22pm

    Ask yourself this question: If adnan didn’t do it, then who did?

    Seriously, there is no good answer.

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      Jennifer WilsonKen M
      2/04/16 5:02pm

      DON.

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      DaisyLadyKen M
      2/04/16 5:37pm

      Don, Jen, the known serial killer in the area, even Jay though that seems much less likely. Seems more he was somehow involved and encouraged to point his finger at Adnan. Adnan is definitely not the only suspect. Just the only suspect the detectives bothered investigating.

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    eugene levy's eyebrowsClover Hope
    2/04/16 2:48pm

    Serial definitely showed how mishandled this case was and The Undisclosed and Serial Dynasty/Truth and Justice podcasts definitely took that several steps further. Undisclosed is slanted in Adnan’s favor, but their research is thorough. Serial Dynasty/T&J started out as a ‘truth seeking’ mission, and they have showed amazing investigative power via crowd sourcing (see: the investigation into Don and the fact that there was some hinky shit with his timecard (likely falsified by his mom and now stepmom)).

    Am I 100% convinced of Adnan’s innocence? No. But I am more than 50% convinced that he likely didn’t do it. He definitely didn’t get a fair trial and the prosecution’s suppression of facts and their ‘deal’ with Jay and his lawyer’s ineptness did him no favors.

    However, I feel that him getting a new trial is far from a slam dunk. I am following this hearing with a lot of curiosity. In a case that clearly seems to prove that he was fucked over by the system, I have my doubts that this hearing will come down in his favor. As blind as lady justice wants to be, the people who hold her up do not like to admit failure.

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      norbiznessClover Hope
      2/04/16 1:52pm

      Where’s that loafing layabout Encyclopedia Brown when you need him?

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        Edie Beale's CostumeClover Hope
        2/04/16 2:10pm

        Of everything I’ve read so far, I think I have a crush on Asia McClain now.

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          chancyrendezvousClover Hope
          2/04/16 4:21pm

          Two quick things. First, that picture, goddamn. It’s one thing to know Syed has spent his entire adult life in prison and another thing entirely to see those pictures.

          Second, every time I read about this case, I’m reminded how crazymaking it is that the incompetence of Syed’s lawyer is one of the key reasons the federal death penalty applies in Puerto Rico despite their constitution outlawing it.

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