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tzimtzum does not existAndy Cush
1/26/16 11:40am
I thought the bullet ricocheted and then was sent an entire floor below. Like there was no way that Liang could have even known that it had hit someone, least not at first. Gurley even ran two additional flights of stairs lower right after he heard the discharge, because he wasn’t even aware that he was hit.

It was grossly negligent and absolutely manslaughter, because Liang didn’t have any reason to have his gun drawn in the first place (right?), but painting him as cold to the fact that he caused this man’s death while he simply bled out seems rhetorical.

Am I wrong about this?
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  LongSnaketzimtzum does not exist
  1/26/16 11:43am
  Well this is according to a witness so I guess it depends on how much you believe her assessment.
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  SolutionsCosttzimtzum does not exist
  1/26/16 11:50am
  Yes. You are wrong. He watched him die, did nothing to help and was more concerned about covering his ass and getting his union rep. So, yes.
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Arctic16Andy Cush
1/26/16 11:34am
Cops always do this shit, especially with minorities. They don’t help them after they shoot. The Cleveland pigs who shot Tamir Rice left him on the ground, bleeding out, with his internal organs spilling out. He only got medical aid when an FBI agent that was in the area heard the radio traffic and drove there himself to assist. Fuck the police.
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  OctoberSurpriseArctic16
  1/26/16 11:42am
  If they live, they might tell a tale. Though, I am not quite sure it would matter much regardless. City cuts a check and sweeps the whole thing away in either case.
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  Vanguard KnightArctic16
  1/26/16 11:43am
  Don’t forget they tackled his sister when she ran to assist and she got to enjoy watching her brother bleed out, handcuffed in the back of the squad car.
  
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SoapBoxcarWillieAndy Cush
1/26/16 12:18pm
Liang was definitely in the wrong—he shouldn’t have had his gun drawn with his finger on the trigger. However, I don’t think there was any ill-intent, nor any of the depraved indifference we’ve seen with other police like Officer Daniel Pantaleo (who was not punished) as he suffocated Eric Garner amid Garner’s cries of, “I can’t breathe”. Liang deserves to be punished, although I’m not sure that much jail time is warranted—he’s not a violent criminal and unlikely to reoffend—ultimately he’s a guy that made a very grave mistake that cost Akai Gurley, an innocent man, his life. It’s just a little sad that Liang will be punished more severely than other officers that have done much worse, whether intentionally or through extreme indifference for the lives of those they are sworn to protect and serve.

It would have looked better if Liang had tried to resuscitate Gurley or made it look like he was trying to save him, but he may have simply been in shock at this point, or may have thought that finding the address of the building so he could call an ambulance was a better use of time with a better chance of saving Gurley’s life. People don’t always react the way we think they should (aka the way we think we would react if in a similar situation, although never having been in such a situation, we don’t really know), and perhaps we shouldn’t read too much into this. Frankly, it also distracts from the entire social purpose for this prosecution: it’s a disservice to all of us if Liang is painted as a “bad cop”, the exception to the rule of every other cop being a “good cop”, because the mistake he made is one that any rookie cop (good or bad) might make, and we should ensure that something like this doesn’t happen again. We need to ensure that the protocol is correct, that officers are properly and adequately trained on this protocol, and that officers follow this protocol or are punished.
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  Cyber Mind GrrlSoapBoxcarWillie
  1/26/16 12:49pm
  Uhh, except that his first action was to call his union rep, not an ambulance.
  
  I’m sure the conversation went something like “Oh hey, Mr. Union Rep. I’m at (Where am I now? What’s the address here?). I just shot a guy in the stairwell by accident. What? Yes he’s bleeding out. No I haven’t called 911. Looks pretty bad. I think he’s going to die. Accidental discharge, yes. Yes I’ll hold.................................Ok, form 9233/A/7B? I think I have one in the car. In triplicate? Is that really necessary? Ok, I’ll hold............................(whistling).........................(really? That song?)........................(oh man, ear worm!).................Yes I’m still here. No, looks like he’s probably bled out. I think he’s dead. Ok thanks. We’ll chat soon.”
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  DVA1SoapBoxcarWillie
  1/26/16 1:43pm
  If by “mistake” you mean getting himself into a situation where he was so scared he SHOT SOMEONE for no reason but boredom/indifference to authority, I’m comfortable with jail time for his error. If we can send kids to jail (or their deaths) for shoplifting and smoking weed, I can’t possibly see any legit justification for him walking.
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PragmatorAndy Cush
1/26/16 12:00pm
This seems like a pretty open and shut case. The charges against him are especially accurate with little room for wiggle. I mean ... the opening statement is all you need.

“Officer Liang was patrolling Pink House, against orders from his Watch Commander, descending a darkened stairway with his service weapon drawn. His weapon was drawn because he felt unsafe. He was not responding to a call. Or incident he was party to. This is a situation he put himself in, against direct orders. He created his own discomfort. And when he encountered another human being, he discharged his weapon. I have no doubt it was accidental. This is why we’re not charging him with murder. But his actions resulted in the death of another person without provocation or fault of the deceased. Officer Liang is solely responsible for the death of Akai Gurley by a single gunshot wound to the chest. These details are not in dispute.”

How is he not found guilty here?
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  GeorgeGeoffersonLivesPragmator
  1/26/16 12:20pm
  This and then him admitting to having done nothing is kind of the nail in the coffin, huh?
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  PragmatorGeorgeGeoffersonLives
  1/26/16 12:24pm
  Well, I imagine he will admit to nothing in his case, besides confirmation of his identity at the outset of the case. He is certainly not going anywhere near the stand, that would be the very definition of insanity. If the prosecution gets him up there he’s toast.
  
  But to your point regarding the secondary charge of negligence. I see the morbid validity to his attorney’s statement that nothing in the world was going to save Akai Gurley. I think it’s gruesome and heartless, but the argument carries weight enough to have a jury acquit that charge. The manslaughter is what’s important to me. We can’t have officers killing citizens like this and whistling back to work.
  
  I really don’t see how he gets out of this outside of a hung jury or some other procedural shenanigans. But even then, he’ll just have another trial.
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HighlySelassieAndy Cush
1/26/16 11:46am
Rae Koshetz, Liang’s defense lawyer, alleged that his finger was not on the gun’s trigger, and that administering CPR would not have helped him. “It is a fatal wound. No amount of CPR can save Akai Gurley,” Koshetz said.

Hey I know this is what defense lawyers are paid to say, so I “get it”. But damn if that is not some cold-hearted shit to utter at trial.
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  ToLiveNDieInNJHighlySelassie
  1/26/16 12:06pm
  And we know his finger was on the trigger, because the gun fired. They’re not magical and decide to go off randomly.
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  Rikki-Tikki-DeadlyToLiveNDieInNJ
  1/26/16 12:13pm
  Yeah, this country is pretty fucked if the guns become self-aware and start deciding for themselves when and where they want to fire.
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Dave Andy Cush
1/26/16 11:52am
I mean I SHOT the guy, now you want me to try to SAVE him? I don’t know what police academy YOU went to!
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TraceAndy Cush
1/26/16 12:06pm
Man, you can even hear a change in her tone of voice when it’s clear she realizes that a cop shot him. Like that very specific ‘oh fuck what the hell did I just get pulled into’ tone. A+ to the woman though, she kept her cool in a really stressful as hell situation.
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  mattress_rodeoTrace
  1/26/16 2:07pm
  Yeah, she sounds like a great witness too. Makes him sound like a psychopath.
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AnastraceAndy Cush
1/26/16 12:36pm
Hmm, a cop with incredibly poor trigger discipline “accidentally” discharges his weapon, wounds someone severely, does nothing to assist, the victim dies, and this guy goes to his union rep. Yeah, that’s someone thinking they are above the law right there. Also shows a complete lack of empathy, which isn’t a good sign for a cop. At that point, you have a sociopath with a gun and a badge.

Anyone who has been trained in the use of a firearm, knows better than to keep your damn finger on the trigger. It’s far too easy to discharge your gun, as any bump can jolt you enough to fire it. Especially those people who have lightened the trigger pull. As they say, never point your weapon towards anyone or anything you are not willing to kill or destroy. If you do fire, be prepared to face the consequences.
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Sir VivorAndy Cush
1/26/16 2:47pm
So they charged him with something that gives max. 15 years so that the people would feel there is some sort of justice served. SPOILER: He will get a slap in the wrist for negligence.

And howcome Liang didn’t know in which address he was in? Then what was he doing there all by himselfin the first place, lost and scared, with only a gun to protect him from the monsters in the closet and under the bed?

And why did he not help? Did he calculate that the dude is less of paperwork when dead or what? Or is he a doctor also, after all he was adamant no CPR could’ve saved him (perhaps not, perhaps yes).
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Sid and FinancyAndy Cush
1/26/16 11:38am

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