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    The Noble RenardJoanna Rothkopf
    1/04/16 10:17am

    My career and life do not deserve to be taken away without some basic level of due process

    Once again, that’s not how Due Process/The First Amendment works.

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      LargeNZ1The Noble Renard
      1/04/16 10:21am

      Stop violating his First Amendment rights by saying he is wrong!!!

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      sparklycarkleeThe Noble Renard
      1/04/16 10:33am

      Exactly. This douche saw the phrase “due process” one time, thought to himself “Hey, that sounds like it applies to my current situation!", and pulled it out of his asshole to wave around in a Facebook post. Pathetic.

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    VoteyMcVotefaceThePartyVoteDriverJoanna Rothkopf
    1/04/16 10:19am

    As far as denials go that’s some pretty weak sauce. I just think that if I were accused of raping someone and I hadn’t raped anyone, my response would be less “Think of how this is affecting my public image” and more getting on rooftops and screaming to anyone who will listen “FUCK NO, I DID NOT RAPE ANYONE!” You know, with actual angry and emotion over being accused of a heinous violent felony that I did not commit.

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      Cocopop!VoteyMcVotefaceThePartyVoteDriver
      1/04/16 10:23am

      The severity of her accusations are false and extremely harmful. I’m not sure she realizes the irreparable harm of her actions.

      This is what interested me. He didn’t say her accusations were false. He said the severity of her accusations were false.

      You guys, it wasn’t that big a deal. She should really think about the ways she is harming him.

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      Masshole JamesCocopop!
      1/04/16 10:27am

      I didn’t catch that but you’re right; that is an interesting non-denial denial.

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    liffie420Joanna Rothkopf
    1/04/16 11:13am

    I don’t know who is right or who is wrong nor have I ever heard of either of them. But I think going straight for social media is the wrong way to go about it. I don’t remember reading where it said she went to the police or anything. I am definitely not going after the whole blame the victim thing, but you have to take this with a grain of salt until the law gets involved. There have been plenty of cases of women falsely crying rape in the past, I certainly hope for both their sakes that nothing happened if it did I would personally like to pop his nuts with a vice grip. I have had a friend of mine raped before, so I definitely feel bad for her but on the other had there have been so many stories of alleged rape when it in fact didn’t happen.

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      steellt78liffie420
      1/04/16 11:42am

      False allegations of rape are rare compared to the actual number of rapes. There are not “plenty” of false allegations around within the context of rapes committed. You know we do have some reliable ways to determine these numbers. Some are not as reliable do to failure to report actual rapes (Apparently, it is not an easy thing to do as people like you pretend it to be, as you are feeling bad :( for victims).

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      liffie420steellt78
      1/04/16 11:52am

      I just have a problem with jumping straight to social media with it. As far as I can tell in the article is does not appear she has gone forward to the police yet. That is the problem I have, if she is jumping straight to social media without first going to the cops. I can’t imagine any of it is easy for her but if you don’t go to the police immediately after the fact, you run a good chance of there not being any evidence and it’s just he said she said, yes there were pictures posted but we are left to ASSUME that is from the incident. All victims should go directly to the police, I am sure it is emotionally devastating for them so close to the incident but it needs to happen if they want to get these guys caught.

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    KaeteJoanna Rothkopf
    1/04/16 10:25am

    Sooo she bruised herself up? Used photoshop?

    Since the lady never named and names, the smart thing for an innocent man to do would be to not attack the victim but say, “I’m terribly sorry Beth went through that, but it was not me, go internet mob someone else.”

    But the fella knows it was him, so he has to go full “false allegation” on her in return. Which is turning out to not be a good idea if you’ve had multiple victims.

    The kicker is that a lot of abusers don’t consider themselves abusers - just people who got “angry” at someone who deserved it.

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      kc2775Kaete
      1/04/16 10:40am

      Not naming him is all kinds of smart on her part.

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      KK4BamaKaete
      1/04/16 10:42am

      And everyone pointed the finger at him and him only. If he really weren’t the one she was talking about, I would assume she could come out and say so as not to damage his life/career. BUT she didn’t do that and he took it upon himself to make a statement so that’s on him. He is obviously an abuser and a piece of crap human being.

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    skydemonJoanna Rothkopf
    1/04/16 10:20am

    I hope people understand the courage it takes survivors to come out publicly with their stories. I’m so impressed with these women and their strength. I hope this helps them both on their journeys to recovery.

    And fuck Cale Hartmann and his desperate attempt to salvage his career.

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      freshacconciskydemon
      1/04/16 10:41am

      Yeah, in his own words, career first, life second. If I had been falsely accused of something, I’d be putting my career on hold. The fact that his main concern is that she is damaging his career speaks volumes.

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      Country Mac's Ocular Patdownfreshacconci
      1/04/16 10:49am

      I mean, it sounds like he did it, but “damaging his career” seems like a weird thing for you to be upset about. As a single 20 something, what would be more important to you than your career (just in general, not for this guy specifically)? Since he makes his money off a very public facing job, it seems life and career would be pretty intertwined. Once again, I think he did it, I just find your analysis odd.

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    Potential SlayerJoanna Rothkopf
    1/04/16 10:18am

    “Innocent until proven guilty” is the standard in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion.

    This is as it should be.

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      HadrianoPotential Slayer
      1/04/16 10:53am

      and if he believes he is innocent, he can sue her.

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      BestInSlotPotential Slayer
      1/04/16 11:10am

      Why? Why is that as it should be? Why should we as the public bay for blood whenever the opportunity arises?

      You may follow this, but I like to think the more intelligent portion of the species chooses to wait until evidence is presented before conducting a witch hunt.

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    OMG!PONIES!Joanna Rothkopf
    1/04/16 10:24am

    “It is unfortunate that today it’s becoming more and more the norm for an accusation to be taken as fact and the sentence carried out immediately by the anonymous public.”

    Someone should tell Mr. Hartmann that “shaming on Twitter” is an extremely lenient sentence for multiple counts of rape.

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      steellt78OMG!PONIES!
      1/04/16 11:31am

      I don’t know about that. The guy may have cried when he heard about it. That’s pretty harsh to make a grown man cry.

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      OMG!PONIES!steellt78
      1/04/16 11:33am

      An adult white heterosexual man, to be exact.

      We're a sensitive lot.

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    teagurlJoanna Rothkopf
    1/04/16 10:59am

    I’m not sure she realizes the irreparable harm of her actions.

    Nice gas lighting there.

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      NetflixandNapteagurl
      1/04/16 11:07am

      That's what jumped out at me, too.

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      kemperboydteagurl
      1/04/16 11:43am

      Following:

      The severity of her accusations are false and extremely harmful.

      Not her accusations but the severity of them. He straight up did it but doesn’t think it’s a big deal.

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    TaloolahJoanna Rothkopf
    1/04/16 10:31am

    It’s entirely possible he cannot see his actions constitute rape. Or abuse.

    “I lost my temper, is all.”

    I speak from experience. I would guess my abuser (loooong in the past) would heatedly deny he hurt me. In his mind it was justified because I made him so mad with my disrespectful ways.

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      ChristinaTaloolah
      1/04/16 10:52am

      And he “just loved you so much it made him do things he’d never do do someone else” — btdt. Sorry you went through it. Sucks.

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      Lou_PetrichorTaloolah
      1/04/16 11:30am

      This is very true. I am certain that if someone confronted my abusive ex he would deny that he ever hurt me, and just blame the accusations on my mental issues or say that it was normal behavior and that I trigger his temper, so it was my fault.

      It’s one of the reasons I’m so terrified of running into him again, that he will deny it, and since he was my brother’s friend, I may lose the support that I received when I finally spoke about it.

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    neurofancierJoanna Rothkopf
    1/04/16 11:15am

    As someone who was a domestic violence and sexual assault advocate for many years, it never fails to amaze me at how abusers/rapists fail to understand the extremity and harm of their actions. “All I did was push her a little.” (She had a broken collabone and shoulder.) “It was totally consensual.” (She suffered a hemorrhage from the rape.) “She just needed a quiet place to calm down.” (He locked her in a dog kennel for nine hours.) I wish I were making these up.

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      Suck It, Trebekneurofancier
      1/04/16 12:31pm

      Holy Jesus...how are you even able to function in the world after hearing about these things? My hat’s off to you for the good you’ve done. Thank you.

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      neurofancierSuck It, Trebek
      1/04/16 12:50pm

      You’re too kind. Honestly, in some ways being an advocate was the best job I ever had. Not only was it wonderful to work helping women and their kids, but DV/SA advocate are some of the most amazing people on Earth and I’m not just talking about generosity or empathy. I’m talking about funny, smart, mouthy women who are tons of fun to have a beer or six with. You have to have a sense of humor to last more than a few months in the field and most of the long-term advocates I know are hilarious in all the best ways.

      Having said that, I did have a really tough day I saw a couple of sheriff’s deputies carry in the dog kennel (from the above-mentioned case) into the courthouse. I went home and cried.

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