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    cuntybawsGabrielle Bluestone
    12/04/15 12:03pm

    We should absolutely take this opportunity to argue viciously among ourselves as to who correctly guessed the attackers’ identity first, and what a wrong guess says about everyone else.

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      Tom Jopsoncuntybaws
      12/04/15 12:06pm

      I didn’t know it was Farook but I knew it was workplace violence. Terrorism would attack football stadiums, parades, subways in NYC, and things like that. Not some weird little quasi-hospital in Riverside.

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      Molierthanthoucuntybaws
      12/04/15 12:08pm

      Might I also add a preemptive fuck you to all the people who will use this as an example for their own pro-gun, anti-immigration, pro-young/white/man, anti-Muslim rants. That should save me from about 50 troll replies.

      Edited to add: A special fuck you to the trolls who are saying that Islam isn’t a “religion of peace” as if they have never even read the Bible. Stay gray, like your soul.

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    NefertittiesGabrielle Bluestone
    12/04/15 12:08pm

    So, this is what I am thinking. That she had been radicalized before she met him. Was guided to search out an American Muslim through dating sites. That he brought her here on a visa. That she radicalized him over time and slowly poisoned his mind towards his colleagues and homeland—he was born here, after all.

    It’s maybe far-fetched and a really fucking long con involving her having a baby as well, but by all accounts the same thing happened to the younger Tsarnaev brother, who was just an aimless stoner before Tamerlan came home all radicalized.

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      Kenhe LoginNefertitties
      12/04/15 12:10pm

      Good thought, but how did she become radicalized?

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      DCSimian81Nefertitties
      12/04/15 12:12pm

      This. My wife and I thought the same. Not taking away from what he did, but I think it started there. In the end, both of them were fucked up people...

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    AcridsheepGabrielle Bluestone
    12/04/15 12:07pm

    Self-radicalized, able to acquire firearms legally, no other indications they might do something like this...

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      amgarreAcridsheep
      12/04/15 12:19pm

      I know. I get it that America is supposed to be this beacon and all that give me your tired, your poor and the dream and the Constitution and everything, but does there come a point where the center cannot hold? I mean, I’m not in any way a supporter of bigots and xenophobes, but just as a practical matter, does there come a point where we no longer are a society that is governable or stable with masses of people from all over that don’t have any shared history, traditions or values?

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      KittyReavenAcridsheep
      12/04/15 12:23pm

      Only so much you can do to prevent all crime. Some people are stewing over years.

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    heymrdopemanGabrielle Bluestone
    12/04/15 12:03pm

    This has been a really bad look for Gawker. Many commenters here mock the idea that this site has a very liberal bent, emphatic that being tolerant toward other cultures and orientations etc. is not an “agenda” at all. Well this insistence on refusing to state potentially (and in reality blatantly) relevant information on these attackers, in some misguided attempt at avoiding bigotry, lays bare a lack of trust in your readers and an insecurity in your own fundamental beliefs. Despite what you may have convinced yourselves, discussing a particular religion as a motivating factor in a crime is not a wholesale indictment of that entire faith, a concept which seems simple enough to grasp.

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      ideasleepfuriouslyheymrdopeman
      12/04/15 12:07pm

      so waiting for some evidence of motive, instead of guessing by their last name, is a bad thing?

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      a seahorseheymrdopeman
      12/04/15 12:08pm

      Tldr

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    CanmonGabrielle Bluestone
    12/04/15 12:04pm

    After Paris, Francois Hollande gave a moving speech pledging to root out Islamic terrorism at its source. He has followed through by striking ISIS and closing radicalized mosques. After San Bernardino, Obama pledged to institute background checks for gun show sales, even though the shooter didn’t get any guns from guns shows and passed background checks.

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      MattyWollyCanmon
      12/04/15 12:11pm

      You are aware that the US along with its Kurdish and Iraqi allies has been aggressively attacking ISIS for several years now? And the campaign has shown marked success of late?

      And of course in addition to Syria and Iraq, the US has been assisting campaigns against fundamentalists in Yemen, Somalia, West Africa, Afghanistan and the Philippines.

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      BurnedAtTheSteakCanmon
      12/04/15 12:16pm

      Hollande also didn’t puss out and abandon Syrian refugees, but continued to welcome them to France.

      And there is now way to close a “radicalized mosque” in the US consistent with the 1st Amendment. So keep wishing.

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    PrettyLegitGabrielle Bluestone
    12/04/15 12:06pm

    Here’s an important distinction to make in the wake of all the “Christian shooter, not a terrorist, Muslim shooter, terrorist” bullshit that everyone keeps spouting. It’s not that one religion is evil and the other isn’t. (Disclaimer: Am atheist, all religion evil, etc.) It’s that currently one of them has a large and powerful organization whose chief goal at the moment is to kill (violently, and in public) anyone who opposes them.

    Yes, they are radicals who don’t represent the views of the vast, vast majority of Muslims. But they DO exist, and they are using Islam as MO. Say what you will about the level of influence and prejudice Christianity has in the U.S., there isn’t a band of Christian extremists taking over towns and beheading everyone who lives there. One crazy right winger shooting up a building is not equal to the horrors ISIS is perpetrating.

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      Jerry-NetherlandGabrielle Bluestone
      12/04/15 12:06pm

      “Some of the Paris attackers pledged allegiance to ISIS, others to Al Qaeda...”

      The terrordouche version of bankster doucherie:

      “I got my MBA at University of Chicago”

      “Yeah? Well I went to Wharton”

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        King JulienJerry-Netherland
        12/04/15 12:08pm

        *Wharton

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        10" Rubber BilboJerry-Netherland
        12/04/15 12:11pm

        People’s Front of Judea/Judean People’s Front

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      VanNostrandGabrielle Bluestone
      12/04/15 12:21pm

      It will be a cold day in hell when we on the left can have an open and thoughtful discussion about this.

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        first time talker long time listenerVanNostrand
        12/04/15 2:16pm

        If we can get a shitload of worthless republicans out of office next November, we can have thoughtful discussions on a myriad of issues.

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        VanNostrandfirst time talker long time listener
        12/04/15 2:24pm

        This is one of the very rare issues where Republicans aren’t the ones being the most daft, difficult, and irrational. Our guys are the ones with their heads in the sand.

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      MockingbirdHillGabrielle Bluestone
      12/04/15 12:09pm

      And chickenshit cowards are already blaming Obama and using this to stop Syrian refugees, yell racist things at Muslims during meetings about zoning. Meanwhile 100000 guns were bought on Black Friday. Trump continues to rise in the polls quicker than the oceans are rising. People have already forgotten the asshole who shot up Planned Parenthood because women have vaginas and want to have control over them. Legitimate candidates are calling for imprisonment of innocent people and for government workers to refuse human rights based on religious objections. All the while we still spend billions every day bombing places all over the world. The 4th estate is unregulated and controlled by a few companies. The top % control 90% of the worlds wealth.

      I’m sorry George, Ben, Thomas, Abraham, Betsy, Eleanor. We failed. The dream is over.

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        NowthisisgettingembarassingforLiberalsMockingbirdHill
        12/04/15 12:15pm

        You are a willfully blind moron.

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      Richard PunchGabrielle Bluestone
      12/04/15 12:14pm

      seems like such an odd (non-priority or high-value) target for Daesh. I don’t understand this at all.

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        Doktor RosenrosenRichard Punch
        12/04/15 12:22pm

        Because they didn’t plan it centrally, but it was an offshoot/outcome of all of their propaganda encouraging their believers everywhere to take the matters into their own hands and commit “mini-jihad” wherever they are.

        It’s virtually no different than the radical Christian right who subtly encourages anti-abortion shooters etc. They just have to be a little more subtle since they have to worry about American laws.

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        Richard PunchDoktor Rosenrosen
        12/04/15 12:25pm

        But this target doesn’t even have value as a secondary target. It’s not a shining example of Western excesses... it’s a fucking community center.

        There’s still a lot more to this.

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