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Ladyheatherlee 2016 EditionTracy Moore
11/29/15 2:28pm
I am a terrible feminist because I’m going to tell my kids that if they find themselves in a committed relationship in their 20s and they know they want to have kids to please just do it. This egg freezing thing is clearly not the answer and here I sit at a mere 33 years old and totally unable to have kids. Glad I didn’t wait.

Yes, berate me. I’m fully expecting it. I deserve it. :P I already know how this is going down anyways. My younger one will have babies in her late twenties and my older one will have dogs. I would put money on this. All the money.
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  coffeeandcakeLadyheatherlee 2016 Edition
  11/29/15 2:33pm
  Yeah I was always told I could wait- well I waited too long. close to 50k down the shitter and all I have to show is 2 miscarriages and failed IVF. I have 3 dogs with my husband and we are now starting the adoption process.
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  Ladyheatherlee 2016 Editioncoffeeandcake
  11/29/15 2:36pm
  :( I'm so sorry for your losses. Best wishes for a smooth-as-possible adoption process!
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LOREM IPSUMTracy Moore
11/29/15 2:12pm
Ha! Now I can give this article to my mom, and she can give it to her coworkers who keep bugging her that I should freeze my eggs since I still have them after my hysterectomy and have them implanted in Cindymoo, despite the fact that my eggs are garbage and we don’t want kids! Keeps your nose out of my oves, ya bunch of biddies.
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  deerlady83LOREM IPSUM
  11/29/15 2:19pm
  My family feels ambivalent about having children. I think it was because a number of the aunties felt like they were forced to have more children then they wanted. Some of them pressure us while others don't. My one aunt had to stop when it turned out her daughter was infertile. My mother never pressured me. She just has furgrandbabies.
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  EmForsterLOREM IPSUM
  11/29/15 2:33pm
  I’m going to let you in on a mom-secret: whenever your mom says, “My co-workers were wondering whether you should....,” it’s really just your mom wondering.
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lawloverTracy Moore
11/29/15 2:27pm
So, we could accept that almost everyone has children and make work and government policies that allow women (and men!) to prioritize having children when they are most able to do so healthily. Orrrrrr....we could push wealthy women to spend lots of money on an Invasive procedure which may or may not even solve the problem by convincing them that womens’ bodies are not working on the right schedule.

Even as a woman with no interest in having kids, I really don’t see why we don’t just organize things so that having kids doesn’t get in the way of careers and jobs. You’d think since the majority of people have kids, the entire workforce would get together and advocate for better workplace policies that support the families that we are pretty much all having.
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  Ladyheatherlee 2016 Editionlawlover
  11/29/15 2:29pm
  This requires sense-making though. Humans are not widely known for their sense-making.
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  TheVageniuslawlover
  11/29/15 4:26pm
  Because if women stay home and have babies they’re lazy and lack ambition but if they have kids and go to work they are heartless, grasping, non-women. We live in a perpetual catch-22 and why change it? It’s not like making women feel bad about their choices and keeping them from economic equality ever benefitted anyone. Wait....
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deerlady83Tracy Moore
11/29/15 2:17pm
I thought people were actually putting their eggs in the freezer and than cooking them.
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  BeABigRedOnedeerlady83
  11/29/15 2:20pm
  Yep. I COMPLETELY misunderstood what this article was going to be about...
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  deerlady83BeABigRedOne
  11/29/15 2:22pm
  I thought it was going to be some weird new cooking technique.
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TheVageniusTracy Moore
11/29/15 2:35pm
I’m an egg donor and I’ve done a ton of research on this topic. I think full disclosure is absolutely important, and just like any business, you must do your due diligence on the company you’re working with. There are plenty of unethical people who will snow you. I worked with an amazing agency who was very transparent about their stats.

Everyone should know that they don’t take egg donors past 30 usually.

And, if you have the money and want to consider it, I think it's reasonable. Women spend 40k or more doing IVF and doing donor egg cycles, and the chances of success are never what anyone would call high. Reproductive technology isn't a sure bet, no matter how you do it.
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  Selfie-consciousTheVagenius
  11/29/15 3:49pm
  Ok you don’t have to tell me but is being an egg donor profitable? I’m way to old but I’m curious. Also is it easy? Hard physically. When I was in my 20’s you either had kids or adopted. Fertility treatments/ donors were unheard of.
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  TheVageniusSelfie-conscious
  11/29/15 4:00pm
  Yes. Some donate to friends or family and don’t get paid. I got paid thousands of dollars. And I’m lucky enough to be in contact with one family and they are really really happy and that makes me happy.
  
  It was relatively easy for me but it depends on your body. I responded well to the hormones and experienced tenderness and bloating, had to do self-injections and endure regular vaginal ultrasounds and blood draws, as well as some pain afterwards. But worth it, for me.
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quagmireTracy Moore
11/29/15 2:31pm
I recently did IVF. The day of my egg retrieval, I was teetering far too close to the hormone levels that would result in OHSS, so my doctor made the decision that we would fertilize, then freeze immediately, and see what’s up in a month or so when my ovaries were a less scary size.

I asked if it made a difference if we fertilized now or in 3 weeks when we try again, purely out of curiosity. He said it was much better to freeze embryos (I mean, I guess technically just zygotes or fertilized eggs or whatever) than to freeze just eggs by themselves - you don’t want to do that unless you absolutely have to.

When we defrosted them, the embryologist called me to tell me that 8 out of 9 frozen had thawed successfully - and not to worry, that was consistent with their 90% thaw rate, that embryo was not hardy enough to get to be a pregnancy, blah blah blah.

I asked out of curiosity if that 90% rate was for just eggs too. The woman I was speaking to reiterated what the doctor had said - no, the thaw rate for them is not nearly as high. I didn’t ask her to get more specific, but it does bother me a little that they have signs all over the office advertising their egg-freezing program.

However, can I make one possible suggestion for the vast difference in success rates?

The cycle that we froze, we’d retreived 17 eggs. Ideally, they look for 50-75% to fertilize. We had 9, so the lower end of that. We only froze those 9, obviously, the other 8 were duds.

If you’re freezing everything, you don’t know if any of them could possibly be viable. There was no egg grading system, nor did they grade my husband’s sperm beyond motility % or whatever. They didn’t know what eggs could likely result in babies until they’ve been dividing for a couple of days. They wouldn’t have frozen anything if nothing had fertilized, and that’s unfortunately not an impossible occurrence.
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  Knittin' Kittenquagmire
  11/29/15 3:36pm
  Your comment needs more stars.
  
  I think it really sums up the important part of this story: many eggs are just duds. It’s just how it is. Whether they were frozen or not, they would have never resulted in a live birth. I think people are a little confused and assume 1 egg=1 baby, when even traditional conception averages at 3 eggs=1 baby.
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  quagmireKnittin' Kitten
  11/29/15 3:52pm
  I remember having the conversation with the doctor and embryologist and my husband the morning of that retrieval. We wanted to be practical, we didn’t want to be overly-emotional, but it’s a draining, emotional, expensive (even with insurance coverage!) process. So the doctor said he wanted to freeze on day 1, so that when we unfreeze we have the option of the 3 day OR 5 day transfer., since we don’t know how it was going to go, no one had a crystal ball.
  
  And I said, “what if none of them survive being unfrozen?!” So frantic and scared that I might go through all of this for nothing.
  
  And the doctor - who is the most no-nonsense man I’ve ever met - said, “If they don’t survive freezing or thawing, they wouldn’t have been able to survive two weeks to get you pregnant and then 9 more months to get you a baby.”
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charliefly2015Tracy Moore
11/29/15 2:07pm
Huh. Weirdly enough Professor Robertson taught my Reproductive Rights class in law school. A fertility doctor came and spoke to our class and at the end of his lecture spent about 15 minutes trying to promote (almost exclusively female class) egg freezing. The doctor tried to tell us it would be a good “graduation present” from our parents.

Doesn’t really add anything to the story but I thought it was interesting.
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  mscoffeecharliefly2015
  11/29/15 2:21pm
  that sounds sort of inappropriate. if someone had pulled that on me in law school I would be been Unamused.
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  charliefly2015mscoffee
  11/29/15 2:24pm
  Yeah I thought so too. In fairness to Professor Robertson that’s not what he intended for the doctor to do. The doctor was supposed to just explain advances in reproductive technology. Then it turned into a sales pitch for egg freezing.
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Margaret Jean PerflipisklupTracy Moore
11/29/15 3:02pm
I have no actual opinion on the main point of all of this, but am I the only one grossed out by “EggBanxx”? Was “EggBank” taken? Even just “EggBanx”? Not sexxy enough? We needed two xs? Why do we need to feel like this is an egg bank/strip club?
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  iamjustjulesMargaret Jean Perflipisklup
  11/29/15 3:45pm
  XX chromosomes to appeal to women?
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  ALittleBossyMargaret Jean Perflipisklup
  11/29/15 3:54pm
  I’m assuming it’s a wordplay on chromosomes?
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seeemmteeTracy Moore
11/29/15 2:10pm
Seeing the headline and the photo made me wonder if you can freeze eggs (chicken eggs, that is). Can you? What would happen if you put a carton of eggs in the freezer? Would you be able to thaw them and eat them later?
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  LOREM IPSUMseeemmtee
  11/29/15 2:14pm
  Dr. Google says you can, for up to a year. Just thaw them overnight in the fridge.
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  SnapTestseeemmtee
  11/29/15 2:43pm
  You’d have to take them out of the shells first.
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$kaycogTracy Moore
11/29/15 2:22pm

GIF

Oops! Wrong kind of eggs.
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