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    SqarrMadeleine Davies
    11/19/15 11:40am

    Bu-bu-bu-bu-but one had a Syrian passport! Refugees will kill us aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall! Saaaaaaaaaaaave meeeeeeeeeeeee!

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      SheeshTheseNamesSqarr
      11/19/15 11:43am

      I find it quite fishy that a suicide bomber was carrying around his passport containing his real identity, and that said passport was left unharmed and legible after being on his person when he detonated the bomb. I can’t be the only one questioning that, right?

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      PhyllisNeflerSqarr
      11/19/15 11:43am

      I waded into the cesspool of Facebook comments yesterday (I know, I know), and this was basically a verbatim answer to my response that 6 were European nationals.

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    The Noble RenardMadeleine Davies
    11/19/15 11:48am

    A really important fact that somehow doesn’t ever get mentioned is that as citizens of Visa Waiver Program countries, any French or German citizen who was a member of ISIS could show up at any airport in the US and as long as they weren’t on a terror watch list, they’d be let in as a tourist immediately with no real paperwork done. And they could then just stay here, rent an apartment, and plot an attack.

    This is why the whole Syrian refugee thing is so fucking absurd. Because when choosing between just showing up in the USA as a valid tourist with no visa (or just buying a fake passport that could be used to get past US airport security), and going through an 18-24 month security screening process with no guarantee of ever making it in, what do you think a potential terrorist is going to do?

    It is frankly ridiculous to think that ISIS plans to send anyone through the security screening process when there are multiple much easier and much harder to detect methods of entry into the USA.

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      MessO'Espresso is a noodle-bodied slothThe Noble Renard
      11/19/15 11:54am

      Not to mention, most of the time ISIS can inflict plenty of damage by just asking neckbeards of a country to engage in terrorism. They don’t need to “send” people.

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      ThisismyBurnerThe Noble Renard
      11/19/15 11:59am

      Well in JFK theres a really long disheartening line at Customs. I am an American Citizen and was on that line for over 30 mines and was questioned for like 8 minutes. My then girlfriend current wife had to go on the visa line which was like an extra hour. would have been longer but I saw a large group of people coming from the other direction and we booked it to get on the line, turned out to be a plane from DR which would have made the wait even longer.

      Sarcasm aside yes its very easy for the european citizens to travel around the Schengen Countries without further scrutiny. It is their right as European citizens. Here is the thing though: The people joining up ISIS are the kids who never lived in the middle east. They were born and raised in Europe. They dont know they horrors of having ISIS around and threatening them. What they DO know is the Islamaphobia and racism they encounter every day in Europe and the encouraging words they get from ISIS recruiters online.

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    AllieCat ❤️'S hats on cats-is probable weirdoMadeleine Davies
    11/19/15 11:44am

    “Most of the suspected paris attackers were European Nationals”

    Sure. If by “European” you mean “Muslim” and by “nationals” you mean “terrorists” and by “Paris” you mean “Al quaeda” and “attackers” you mean “New York” and by “of” you mean “brown monsters” and “most” you mean “Syria” and by “the” you mean “the ghost of Osama bin laden” and “suspected” you mean “the war on Christmas” and by the word, “most” you mean “the wall Mexico is going to pay for”...then sure. SURE they weren’t.

    CLOSE THE BORDER SHEEPLE.

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      Yog-Sothoth is the GateAllieCat ❤️'S hats on cats-is probable weirdo
      11/19/15 11:47am

      I mean they were European, but they were also Muslims. That one is true doesn’t make the other untrue or irrelevant.

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      AllieCat ❤️'S hats on cats-is probable weirdoYog-Sothoth is the Gate
      11/19/15 11:55am

      That they were European doesn’t cause them to not be Muslim or be Muslim, that’s true enough. But as to the relevance, I disagree.

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but when the IRA was commiting terrorist acts in Ireland, the fact that they were Catholic did not spur an anti Catholics in Europe movement nor did people in the US assume all Catholics were terrorists, nor were they unable to separate the religion from the group.

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    Kony TornheiserMadeleine Davies
    11/19/15 11:47am

    Yes, this proves that the Syrian refugees are not a serious threat, and it’s almost comical how the conservatives are painting them to be.

    That said, the fact these are all European nationals throws cold water on the liberal notion that these actions don’t stem from religious ideology in any way, but rather from geopolitical realities. The way that a lot of people have tried to completely cleave the actions from beliefs is as silly as conservatives pretending that refugees are stopping off the boats on our shores with RPGs in hand.

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      Kenny and the LlamasKony Tornheiser
      11/19/15 12:10pm

      I assume you also blame Christianity for the IRA, the Klan, etc, etc, etc?

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      dfoifoihKenny and the Llamas
      11/19/15 12:21pm

      Lots of IRA members were atheist Marxists. Their political wing is still about the most left-wing party in Ireland.

      The IRA fought against British imperialism, not for Catholicism. The Irish side just happened to be Catholic and the British side protestant and, for whatever reason, Americans love to portray the Troubles in that way.

      It wasn’t a war of Catholics vs. Protestants. It was a war of nationalists vs. unionists.

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    GlassesJacketShirtFemaleMadeleine Davies
    11/19/15 11:44am

    Of course they are homegrown, most European terrorists are. The French government is just trying to deflect from its terrible security lapses. Most of the terrorists are well educated European men who are basically the Muslim version of MRAs. They have been raised like kings (in quite moderate homes) and drink, drive nice cars and have great lives. Only, that’s not enough. The world won’t give them EVERYTHING so they run off to the “homeland” where they can have all their crazy dreams come true. The role of misogyny in these attacks in completely underplayed.

    The reality is that the Syrians coming into Europe have no desire to commit any terror acts but a small percentage of their children will be just as much of a spoiled, sociopathic douchebag as the Europeans currently living there. Instead of taking a gun to a gym to gun down “evil bitches” or killing his wife and children (and thus getting sympathic hand wringing NY Times thinkpieces), they’ll join some jihad campaign made up of the same losers. But, seriously, so what? Do we kick out white men because they can’t stop shooting up schools?

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      CagefreeHenGlassesJacketShirtFemale
      11/19/15 12:07pm

      These attacks had more to do with religious Muslims not assimilating with their European neighbors (Jews and Africans experience this discrimination, too). The French are just as xenophobic as Americans, and their culture and lifestyle is hundreds of years older. I’m not saying misogyny doesn’t play a part in their death cult, but the underlying issue here is that they have feelings of inadequacy from not fitting in and being accepted by their peers. It’s a vulnerability Daesh leans on heavily to recruit.

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      DR honkhonkhonk, tyvmGlassesJacketShirtFemale
      11/19/15 12:12pm

      THIS, i’m telling you, this! If MRAs had a caliphate territory and better leadership, they would be pulling the same shit as ISIS.

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    Snake PersonMadeleine Davies
    11/19/15 11:45am

    I like how we blame refugees for the actions of the people from whom they seek refuge. It’s a good look for us. There are no potential blowback scenarios in which those people 1) die or 2) are left without options and know they are unwelcome in the West, leading to 3) a spiral of radicalization.

    Fuck people.

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      quagmireSnake Person
      11/19/15 11:48am

      I’m supposed to believe the thousands of people running away from ISIS aren’t all secretly ISIS soldiers? Yeah right. Occam’s razor, man. They’re all terrorists.

      /s (in case that wasn’t abundantly clear because I know people actually believe that but I swear I am not one of them)

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      Yog-Sothoth is the GateSnake Person
      11/19/15 12:06pm

      Right. We don’t even have to be selflessly humanitarian to rationalize helping desperate people. It’s such a simple choice.

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    Feminist KittenjoyMadeleine Davies
    11/19/15 11:46am

    Dear racist fearmongers: so can my state close its borders to twentysomething white guys? They are far more statistically likely to harm me than any foreign terrorist.

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      PoodletimeFeminist Kittenjoy
      11/19/15 5:59pm

      Now that would be a sensible move! Unfortunately, our education and political systems have produced people who are innumerate, so statistics don’t help them. Now, the Republicans have upped the ante with a War on Facts. One has to wonder what is next.

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    Global BeetMadeleine Davies
    11/19/15 11:41am

    The cowardice in response to the attacks is one of the times I’ve truly, I mean truly to the marrow of my bones, been ashamed of my fellow american citizens.

    Each and every reactionary, conservative, bigot are like little drops of hemlock to our entire civilization.

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      darleeeeeene aka deraaiilleeeeeeneGlobal Beet
      11/19/15 12:45pm

      As a white american, I finally started to understand Rachel Dolezal as I was reading what white americans were saying about everything.

      (I hope you know I am completely kidding, I feel it’s important to say that.)

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      Akat101Global Beet
      11/19/15 10:44pm

      Don’t you just love how their narrative is that if you’re a leftist you’re a weak, immoral, bleeding heart pansy!!! yet they’re the ones who are actively and incessantly trying to strike fear into the hearts of anyone who will listen to them. In any other circumstance they preach about how strong and courageous and exceptional Americans are and have always been, but they hate non-white foreigners and Muslims so much that they want us to abandon our principles because TERROR!! FEAR!! SCARY PEOPLE FROM SCARY PLACES!! TERRORISM!!! BE AFRAID!!

      It truly is sickening. Spineless, gutless, heartless, unprincipled, fear-mongering cowards.

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    BurntttMadeleine Davies
    11/19/15 11:35am

    “So what.”
    -People who’ve already made up their minds

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      mekkiBurnttt
      11/19/15 1:21pm

      True. True. Their mind set it is, “European nationals or not, they are still Muslims!!!!” It’s the Muslim part they can’t shake.

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      RandomHookupmekki
      11/19/15 4:06pm

      “Muslim Shakes” were one of McDonald’s biggest product failures.

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    rusholmeruffianMadeleine Davies
    11/19/15 11:42am

    I have a friend-of-a-friend who’s an immigration attorney. She posted on FB that, save swimming the Atlantic, the refugee resettlement program is by far the hardest way of getting into the US. To plant a sleeper, Daesh would use the student, tourist, or EB-5 investor visa process long before trying to run the gauntlet of the refugee process.

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