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MulderLovesMeGabrielle Bluestone
11/09/15 4:36pm
The only good in this story is that it shows body cameras work. Of course, the people who did the killing weren’t actually wearing theirs...
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  EatTheCheeseNicholsonMulderLovesMe
  11/09/15 4:39pm
  Exactly, they didn’t work. Neither of the officers involved had one, and a kid got shot for no reason.
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  AFSMulderLovesMe
  11/09/15 4:41pm
  I know it’s not your intention, but please don’t shift the responsibility onto having/not having a body cam. Better training, judgement, and experience are required to avoid this type of thing.
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e.nonGabrielle Bluestone
11/09/15 4:33pm
those charges better be upgraded to first degree murder and attempted murder.
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  Your New Friende.non
  11/09/15 4:38pm
  Isn’t First Degree only premeditated? Even if they had been planning to kill the kid’s dad prior to the actual confrontation, they still weren’t planning to kill the kid.
  
  Although if they were, goddamn. I want to have a scrap of hope for humanity saying they weren’t...
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  CleganeBowlConfirmedYour New Friend
  11/09/15 4:43pm
  Little fuzzy here: can the mens rea for first degree transfer to the kid?
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Foxstar loves BashcraftGabrielle Bluestone
11/09/15 4:34pm
Well it looks like at the very least the body cams are doing the job they are supposed to do.
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  Denver is too damn highFoxstar loves Bashcraft
  11/09/15 4:39pm
  True but:
  
  ...via a body cam reportedly worn by a third officer who was not directly involved in the shooting.
  
  What about the two suspect officers? Sounds like we got lucky this guy was there
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  datwangaiDenver is too damn high
  11/09/15 4:46pm
  marshal’s aren’t police.
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CaptainButtersGabrielle Bluestone
11/09/15 4:35pm
Sounds like these Marshalls went into this situation with a set outcome in mind. I’d be curious to know whether there isn’t some additional motivation these guys had regarding Dad.
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  factsaboutratsCaptainButters
  11/09/15 4:40pm
  I thought I had heard on the news down here something to do with one of the cops girlfriends and a bar.
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  SlingerCaptainButters
  11/09/15 4:40pm
  I read a few days back on here that the dad knew at least one of the marshals and did have a problem with him.
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Demon!Gabrielle Bluestone
11/09/15 4:32pm
We can’t stop now, but frankly even a year ago the idea that this would be the response?

the two marshals—32-year-old Lt. Derrick Stafford and 23-year-old reserve officer Norris Greenhouse Jr.—have been arrested and charged with second-degree murder and attempted second-degree murder.

Step one is charging them. Step two is conviction. This is still a huge change from even a year ago.
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  s3rp3ntsDemon!
  11/09/15 4:40pm
  The officers are minorities. So while I applaud the fact that this horrific incident has developed this way, it’s - in addition to the proper reaction by administrators - just another bit of evidence that “justice” works different for people of color.
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  Tyrant37Demon!
  11/09/15 4:40pm
  I don’t even read anymore when I see “charge” because all I want to start seeing is convictions. This assault on the public will not stop until the conviction rate goes up for officers. As in charged with murder, convicted, sentenced, goes to jail. Nothing makes a person crazier and more reckless that them not having any accountability.
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AllModConnedGabrielle Bluestone
11/09/15 4:49pm
Let this be a reminder for those of you who preach patience, for us to wait for the “facts” to come in. When the police kill or beat the shit out of someone they always, every fucking time, create a story that will cast the victim as the perpetrator. It’s not rotten apples - the soil is rotten, the tree is diseased, the water is poisoned and the air is toxic.
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MolierthanthouGabrielle Bluestone
11/09/15 4:37pm
Police brutality isn’t a new thing (unfortunately)- neither is protesting it. But I am starting to worry that all the negative attention the police are getting right now is making them even more on edge. Don’t get me wrong, a murderer is a murderer. In the past two weeks I’ve seen footage of dogs being shot, a woman tasering and then shooting a man in the back after he was on the ground, and now this story? It’s like they are shooting at anything if they are even a little bit anxious. Jesus Christ, whatever psychological training they are getting is NOT working. You can’t be an officer if you are going to panic over every situation. It should be gun last. GUN LAST. And for the record, I’m sorry but helping a man cross a finish line after he’s fallen in a marathon or helping orphaned kids doesn’t make you a great officer. It makes you a person. And it doesn’t make up for the hundreds of brutal acts committed by the police.
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  The Original SunshineMolierthanthou
  11/09/15 7:06pm
  I am pretty sure that the cops have always been this way. The real problem is video. If we could just get rid of video we could go back to believing that cops are the good guys who live only to protect us.
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christcoGabrielle Bluestone
11/09/15 4:37pm
Didn’t I read that the victim had a prior beef with one of the cops? Starting to sound like a setup. How horrible. I have a little boy his age. Prison is too good for these pieces of shit.
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  CleganeBowlConfirmedchristco
  11/09/15 4:44pm
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  christcoCleganeBowlConfirmed
  11/09/15 6:34pm
  Fuck yes! Perfect. Season 1 was so good. What the hell happened?
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Daniel al-JaʿfarīGabrielle Bluestone
11/09/15 5:07pm
This would be a good time for commenters on the original story who were so busy blaming the father to own up to just how wrong they were. And before you say, “Well, we didn’t have all the details then,” consider how often similar stories of officer-involved shootings initially make the press with the police narrative, which is torn to pieces within days (as one commenter at the time pointed out, “This presumes that the story happened as is being presented to us in the police account,” and as one said to another, “You immediately assumed the Father was responsible based on information from the very people that shot him and a kid”).

ICYMI, here’s a few gems:

But fuck that father—twice—for deciding that his personal freedom mattered more than the physical safety of his son.

I totally agree. I’m a big ol’ liberal fightin’ hard for gun control and police reform and accountability and all that, but my main reaction to this is just sadness and disgust with how cowardly and reckless this father is.

Except the suspect wasn’t fleeing. Read the story again: he was backing into the Marshals when they shot. They didn’t shoot until he was trying to run them over.

I believe in holding cops responsible for their actions but the father here bears a huge amount of blame for putting his son in this situation. No matter how you look at it he ultimately made the decision to run from the cops with his kid in the car, putting the boy in harm’s way.

I concur. Regardless of whether the officers’ actions were warranted (which is a separate issue), f*** that guy for willingly putting his young child in harm’s way.

Let me preface this by saying that it is an absolute tragedy that this child is dead by no fault of his own AND I sincerely wish that he wasn’t but are we to ignore that his father was “backing into the marshals when they fired.”?

Yeah... the dad attempted to flee the police with his kid in the car. Fuck the cops, but fuck the dad too.

And the crown jewel:

Thank you, you said exactly what I have been trying to say. I know that everyone wants to shit on the cops, and they deserve heavy scrutiny and criticism, but all thus went down because the dad is a coward. I don’t know why anyone hasn’t come to the conclusion that the dad knowingly put his kid in harm’s way because he thought they would be less inclined to shoot or persue aggressively because he had his kid in the vehicle. He may have been using his kid as a shield, metaphorically speaking, which is inexcusable.
I know the instinct around here is to demonize all police, but let’s try to be rational and logical and wait until we have all the facts before we get the torches and pitchforks. Knowing what we know now, the only person that we should be mad at is the dad for making this situation possible.

Yeah. Way to “be rational and logical and wait until we have all the facts before we get the torches and pitchforks.”
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  KinglyCitrusDaniel al-Jaʿfarī
  11/09/15 5:46pm
  Some people will go to remarkable lengths to blame anyone other than the cop who pulled the trigger.
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SoapBoxcarWillieGabrielle Bluestone
11/09/15 5:18pm
Are there still no other ways to disable a car without having to resort to shooting out the cars tires or firing rounds at the engine block?
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  R. damascenaSoapBoxcarWillie
  11/09/15 7:03pm
  Some kind of expanding foam’s presumably in the “10 years away” stage somewhere, same as it was 10 years ago.
  
  I’m sure autopilot cars’ll stop for police, hopefully with some kind of emergency override for edge case situations.
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  SoapBoxcarWillieR. damascena
  11/10/15 3:14pm
  I mean, it’s possible for hackers to hack into the ECUs of newer cars, so I’m sure there’s a way to disrupt or disable them using some sort of radio frequency or EMP-type device. Older cars may present more of an issue, although ECUs have been used since the mid-1980’s so the car would have to be really old to be immune.
  
  But I guess there’s something to the Homer Simpson approach of using your gun for everything...
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