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KaeteStassa Edwards
11/06/15 1:37pm
Part of my brain is saying “Be respectful, it makes sense for these people to want to share a cultural touchstone important to their lives with their children, of course they want their kids baptized” while the other half is saying “Why the hell would you want these horrible people to baptize your children anyway, they HATE and will do anything to destroy your lives that they can...”

Sigh. My sympathies to the people impacted by this, at least.
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  blameitonthecroutonsKaete
  11/06/15 1:43pm
  Shouldn’t it be “Mormon church does children a favor”?
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  listbeKaete
  11/06/15 1:44pm
  I wonder if they get disconnected or disowned from everyone they know? Even if it’s not official I would guess some level of that is at play and that it’s all they’ve ever known.
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The Otters Knew Alex Was Still AroundStassa Edwards
11/06/15 1:46pm
Most Mormon children are baptized at the age of eight (which the church marks as the age of understanding right from wrong) and, according to the faith, the rite is an essential component of salvation.

Somewhat tangentially related. My cousins are Mormon, and their daughter was just baptized. The facebook post about it was my cousin saying, “[my daughter] chose to be baptized a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.” I felt really ... I don’t know. Conflicted about the idea that an eight-year-old would be able to “choose” something that significant.

Yes, I think kids that age have an understanding of right from wrong, but ... that is a huge thing to ask of a child. How many of them don’t chose? What kid that age wouldn’t, especially if their family and friends are all doing it? I have a hard time believing that my cousins, lovely as they are, wouldn’t have insisted she do it, even if she said, “I don’t want to, Mom, church is boring, and I don’t understand what they’re talking about,” which was how I felt about church when I was my little cousin’s age.
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  hippodippyThe Otters Knew Alex Was Still Around
  11/06/15 1:51pm
  I ‘choose’ to be baptized because I was told I had to and was promised a unicorn-themed afterparty.
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  darleeeeeene aka deraaiilleeeeeeneThe Otters Knew Alex Was Still Around
  11/06/15 1:52pm
  Yeah i distinctly remember *not* choosing to make my communion (which is around the same age in catholicism) and was basically just bussed to religion after school. I *definitely* just went along with it when I was confirmed at 13ish...
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DiosabellaStassa Edwards
11/06/15 1:38pm
Let’s say I’m the child of gay parents (I actually am, but I digress) and let’s say for some bass ackwards reason, I decide I really, really want to be Mormon. There’s no more sure fire way to make me hate your church and feel you’re a bunch of jerks than for you to shun me for something I have no control over.

Funny enough, a similar thing just happened on that TV show Sister Wives. Their eldest daughter doesn’t believe in plural marriage for herself, despite loving her family deeply. This choice is one the parents actively seem to encourage the kids to make for themselves. After spending some time up in Utah for college, this kid decides she wants to become a regular ol’ Mormon. . . but it turns out the Church won’t do it until her family is “less public.”

The upside, of course, is that the kid seemed to really start questioning what kind of people would ban someone like that. . . so, she probably saved herself a lot of headaches in the long run.
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  darleeeeeene aka deraaiilleeeeeeneDiosabella
  11/06/15 1:51pm
  I need to have myself a good sister wives marathon...that show is just...well it’s mostly boring, until it’s not.
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  It'sNotEasyBeingGreyDiosabella
  11/06/15 2:23pm
  You want to know why I’m not Catholic? They refused to baptize me because my parents were unwed and “living in sin”.
  
  I strongly believe that sense of indignation as a small child in not having a first communion and having to sit in the pews every Sunday while everyone received communion set in motion all the events that led me to be an atheist.
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MK12Stassa Edwards
11/06/15 1:38pm
My step dad was excommunicated for sexually abusing me. The idea that my lesbian daughter could get the same punishment enrages me.
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  GroutMK12
  11/06/15 2:13pm
  I suppose the only way to avoid excommunication in this case is to strip them of the opportunity to do so. Is the Mormon Church really the best place for anyone?
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  AttiaAugustusMK12
  11/06/15 2:21pm
  MK12, thank you for sharing your experience, which perfectly demonstrates how horrible this new rule is. I wish you and your family peace and happiness.
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BrianDStassa Edwards
11/06/15 1:37pm
The big issue this directly effects is that there is a high rate of suicide among gay mormon teens. This kind of hardline double down is really dangerous for those teens who have grown up in this very strict dogma and are basically being retold by the church that god and their family doesn’t want them.

Even if you think it’s a silly thing to care about what rules the mormon church makes against it’s members..requiring the children of gay parents to denounce their relationship is just another act that is splitting families apart and leading to this high suicide rate.
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  LegalRugbyBrianD
  11/06/15 1:44pm
  I have a feeling this will also require parents to disavow/disown LGBT children.
  
  I had a soldier from a Mormon family in small town Utah, who got a girl knocked up at 17, and married her. When he got hurt we reached out to his family (he was 18, she was 17, with a baby and one on the way at this point). His mom told me point blank they couldn’t have anything to do with them because of the premarital sex.
  
  Now imagine what they do when Johnny comes marching home in rainbow.
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  BrianDLegalRugby
  11/06/15 1:57pm
  Yeah it’s really depressing. My family didn’t disown me when I left the church and I can tell they wouldn’t treat me differently if I were gay or anything..but a lot of families in the church aren’t that way and I feel horrible for the people who have to go through this.
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Omar Bradley LittleStassa Edwards
11/06/15 1:36pm
SLC has a massive LGBTQ population that is very active in politics. I truly think SLC is a great city with lots of good people, but Utah is weird man.
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  JTOmar Bradley Little
  11/06/15 1:41pm
  Truth. I live in SLC. It appears that we will have an openly gay mayor once all of the absentee votes are tallied and then you have this... I live on the east side in a “liberal” part of town and am constantly amazed at the diversity, but if I head south to Utah county it becomes intensely LDS.
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  Omar Bradley LittleJT
  11/06/15 1:44pm
  I lived in Orem for a spell, and the difference in atmosphere is night and day. I had a friend who lived in Salt Lake and every chance I got I would drive up to hang out with her.
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Rapunzel's Frying PanStassa Edwards
11/06/15 1:36pm
I wonder how Jesus would feel about essentially damning children to Hell because of their parents’ sins. That’s essentially what this is, right? They’re using children as collateral in order to keep their LGBTQ+ members in line? That’s fucked up.
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  Sir_Stig: "On Jelopnic, No One Knows You're a FWD."Rapunzel's Frying Pan
  11/06/15 1:59pm
  Probably the same way he’d feel about how they treated black people until the 1970’s?
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  Rapunzel's Frying PanSir_Stig: "On Jelopnic, No One Knows You're a FWD."
  11/06/15 2:08pm
  In short:
  
  GIF
  
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Morifarty's ringtoneStassa Edwards
11/06/15 1:47pm
“This is crazy even by Mormon standards,”

Maybe their magic underpants are too tight or something.
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  Jess, Queen of the RaptorsMorifarty's ringtone
  11/06/15 3:51pm
  It’s because they aren’t allowed to drink. And even if they could, their back-asswards liquor laws wouldn’t allow them to even get a proper drink in a bar.
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  JTJess, Queen of the Raptors
  11/06/15 4:10pm
  The laws have changed. You no longer need to be a member of the “club” to drink, but you still can only purchase in state run stores and they are closed on Sunday, ALL holidays, and election days.
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Falcon Depth BrunchStassa Edwards
11/06/15 1:46pm
For fucks sake, this is the same group that thought black people were the incarnations of the devil until the 70’s.

Just fuck all of it.
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  Yog-Sothoth is the GateFalcon Depth Brunch
  11/06/15 3:05pm
  Yeah I’m not sure what the surprise going on around here is. These are Mormons. The founder of their church was a dude who was literally convicted of fraud because he pretended he could magically locate buried treasure.
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  FiendsterFalcon Depth Brunch
  11/06/15 3:21pm
  What. Really?
  
  Trots off to Google “Mormon” + “black people”.
  
  Whoa.
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SwiftressStassa Edwards
11/06/15 1:37pm
Apostacy is the new black.
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  Kenny and the LlamasSwiftress
  11/06/15 1:44pm
  This comment works on so many levels.
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  pdxwhyKenny and the Llamas
  11/06/15 3:41pm
  Agreed. This comment is pure meta.
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