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    Cherith CutestoryHamilton Nolan
    10/15/15 10:46am

    If this equality fad doesn’t end soon retirement homes are going to be real sausage fests.

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      Cherith CutestoryCherith Cutestory
      10/15/15 10:46am

      In fairness, I think the fact that women tend to have the lion’s share of chores at home and childcare on top of their full time jobs may have something to do with this. More stress when you have to go home to more work.

      http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/0…

      But, also, I think the slow dying off of fainting couches hasn’t helped.

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      StenchofaburnerCherith Cutestory
      10/15/15 10:55am

      You are right about the stress plus, I’d add, the bias in the study and treatment of disease in women vs. men. There is a documented difference (here’s one link, google provides hundreds of similar links to similar studies) in the way women are diagnosed and treated for cardiovascular disease. More often than not, women are not accurately diagnosed and do not receive the proper treatment which results in higher incidences of heart attacks (and eventual death).

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    Sean BrodyHamilton Nolan
    10/15/15 10:52am

    “scientists and architects.”

    Architects do always seem to have the weary, but very calm, resign of being the smartest person in the room, and sighingly waiting for everyone else to catch up.

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      GeorgeGeoffersonLivesSean Brody
      10/15/15 10:56am

      I wanted to be an architect when I was little. But between finally realizing the kind of math it took, and finding out that most of them are coke-addled psycopaths, I passed on that dream. lol

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      Sean BrodyGeorgeGeoffersonLives
      10/15/15 11:02am

      Now I’m kinda pissed that I’ve never been offered coke

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    FauxhemianRhapshodyHamilton Nolan
    10/15/15 11:02am

    architecture

    Which is actually an incredibly stressful field full of sociopaths, grueling hours, unreasonable clients and deadlines, psychopathic contractors, and pay not commensurate with said hours.

    Someone made a joke once (on a show, maybe?) that nobody is an architect, it's not an actual job. I thought this was hysterical, and true- because no one sees you when you work in AEC- you're always at the fucking office. Meanwhile, the medical sales guy works from home and takes a 6 mile run every day.

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      ArchitectQueenBitchFauxhemianRhapshody
      10/15/15 11:09am

      Bless you for chiming in on this too. What fucking architecture firm were those people they studied working at?

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      EvanrudeJohnsonFauxhemianRhapshody
      10/15/15 11:22am

      Meanwhile, the medical sales guy works from home and takes a 6 mile run every day.

      My wife has worked in medical sales for years, and she had a co-worker who spend 2 hours of every work day at the gym.

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    AdjraHamilton Nolan
    10/15/15 11:06am

    The definition of “high-strain” is a bit different from how it is presented here:

    The researchers also considered how much latitude workers had in deciding how to carry out their assignments, a factor known as “job control.”

    Jobs on the low end of the spectrum for both psychological demand and control are considered “passive,” such as manual labor gigs. These stand in contrast to “active” jobs that combine high psychological demand and high control (think doctors and engineers).

    In between are “low-strain” professions that feature low psychological demand and high control, such as scientists and architects. Finally, there are “high-strain” jobs that pair high psychological demand with a lack of control; waitresses, nursing aides and other service-industry occupations typify this category.

    The lack of control factor is interesting because the increase in stress for women (and thus strokes) could be linked to the fact that women are generally taken less seriously and face specific gendered issues in the workplace. If you combine that with a job that is already structurally designed to not let the worker, regardless of gender, have input (i.e. control) over how they do their job, it might explain the difference or why it is “more” stressful for women.

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      AdjraAdjra
      10/15/15 11:48am

      I’m too late to edit, so replying to myself to add: I can’t access the study itself because it requires a sign in or a payment for one time reading. But, at least from the extract summary provided, it appears that the gender differential is only (or much more pronounced) in so-called “high-stress” jobs. It would be interesting to know whether the results differ by gender in the “active” jobs (doctors and engineers) because the only difference between “active” and “high-stress” is the control factor. Anyone who can access the full study, please chime in!

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      imakeokaybeansAdjra
      10/15/15 12:01pm

      I can’t access the article linked in Neurology either, and I’m at Fancy Research University. Guess Neurology isn’t that important.

      Anyway, I found a link to a pdf for you if you can get at it:

      http://ep00.epimg.net/descargables/2…

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    WhatthefoxsaysHamilton Nolan
    10/15/15 11:06am

    I used to work in a high pressure law firm and I have witnessed multiple women break down and cry. Like, all out crying in the office after midnight. I’ve never seen a male associate do that.

    Then again, one of those women went on to become partner, so apparently she was able to manage her stress.

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      NavlysNyddogWhatthefoxsays
      10/15/15 11:20am

      Or, maybe they handle their stress differently do to differences in how men and women are socialized? I obviously don’t know your situation, but many men turn stress and frustration into anger, while women internalize it into anxiety. And yet crying is somehow seen as losing control while flipping out on someone or being an asshole is somehow seen as more professional... curious.

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      flamingolingoWhatthefoxsays
      10/15/15 11:38am

      The male associates probably went home and punched a wall or yelled at their spouses or aggressively drove their cars. Men are taught to express their emotions in a different way. It does not mean men are better at dealing with stress or less emotional than women. Anger is still an emotion.

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    Hip Brooklyn StereotypeHamilton Nolan
    10/15/15 10:45am

    Funny, a helluva lot of men I’ve worked with are undoubtedly a liability to the smooth functioning of the patriarchal labor system.

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      toothpetardHip Brooklyn Stereotype
      10/15/15 10:52am

      ‘smooth functioning’ is an interesting term to use.

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      townclubpoptoothpetard
      10/15/15 10:59am

      You’ve been hit by a smooth criminal.

      GIF
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    Frankenbike666Hamilton Nolan
    10/15/15 11:29am

    As I say on all social science “studies”:

    “Studies” involving human behavior are bullshit. All of them. Because it is incredibly easy to get whatever result you’re looking for with your data collection and analysis methodology. And the incentives to ignore contributing factors that contradict the study are always very high.

    We make the mistake of believing social sciences (including nutrition and lifestyle) are “science” in the same way that physics and chemistry are science. They aren’t even close. Social sciences of all types, are conducted for control.

    There is a saying in statistical analysis that should be the first sentence of any social, behavioral or nutritional “study”: correlation is not causation. That requires real science.

    In this case, it’s well known that women are not treated equally in all parts of the world, and a woman in a high stress job, may have an even higher stress lifestyle outside that job over which they have absolutely no control. You can’t just pick this one fact in a woman’s life, and compare it equally to men using the one fact.

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      Iwona BurgundaFrankenbike666
      10/15/15 11:47am

      Oh, I am so impressed with you knowledge of sayings in statistical analysis! I have never heard that correlation is not causation before!

      Anyway, I wish I had known my masters and doctorate in social work wasn’t “science” before I spent all that time doing neurobiology research!

      (p.s.: The research actually had very little to do with gender comparisons, that is a lens the media has pulled out to make the study “more interesting” to report. The conclusions pulled were only from the four stress categories, the sample they pulled was not intended to target sex specifically. The authors clearly state the data pulled in comparing sexes was not statistically significant. So moot point, and fuck off with your douchery.)

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      Frankenbike666Iwona Burgunda
      10/15/15 2:07pm

      Do you think this article would be here, if the press release for the study clearly stated that the “hook” to get the study published in non-scientific journals was “not statistically significant”? I don’t think so.

      It’s part of the inherent dishonesty of “studies”. Especially about nutrition (where people are always trying to prove mass market food is bad for you), but not limited to that by any means. There’s always a disclaimer: “not significantly significant”, ceterus paribus, “within the margin for error”, “may be influenced by lifestyle choices”, etc.

      These studies are publicized in non academic media for a reason: to make it look like conclusions not fully supported by the study are in fact, scientific conclusions. That is the only reason to seek publicity in non academic media.

      Keep your studies within academia, where it is read by people who understand the methodologies and disclaimers and understand their contraventions, and we don’t have a problem.

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    Laura Ingalls Gone WilderHamilton Nolan
    10/15/15 2:39pm

    How are they defining “high strain”? Does that mean big corporate bosses, deep see fishermen, restaurant employees? Also, I’d like to see this data with average minutes of unpaid work (such as housework, childcare) factored in.

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      swstyleLaura Ingalls Gone Wilder
      10/15/15 9:28pm

      The jobs I held that involved lots of physical work were also jobs where I was pretty much allowed to work on my own. I was hardly ever stressed, physically exhausted sometimes, but not stressed. Having to work around other people in the service industry? Those jobs were miserable and stress-filled.

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      Nicoswstyle
      10/16/15 1:11pm

      Yup, manual labor may have been the most physically demanding work I ever had, but I was certainly my happiest. Though, at the same time, while I was fabricating if I got stressed I could go to the paint booth for an “attitude adjustment” (aka: smoke pot) and it would pull me out of whatever rut I was in (like bending a piece that doesn’t quite fit 5 times in a row or struggling with the math of turning a designers page into a structurally sound object).

      Tree removal/firewood delivery was the best. You’re outside everyday, you can eat a ton of food because you’re getting so much exercise, listen to music, just mindlessly chuck logs or load trailers. Head to the lake during lunch on hot ass days.

      I miss it.... but I make more money sitting on my ass dealing with annoyingly stupid people.

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    toothpetardHamilton Nolan
    10/15/15 10:51am

    modern capitalism

    Getting us to call it ‘capitalism’ is their greatest victory.

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      Deeply Moral Nihilisttoothpetard
      10/15/15 11:10am

      Nobody would get behind it if we called it Pulverize Workers' Corpses Into A Fine Slurry Then Feed It To The New Batch Of Suckers Chained To Their Desks To Avoid Breaktime Productivity Drops And Minimize Expenses-ism.

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      Iwona BurgundaDeeply Moral Nihilist
      10/15/15 11:32am

      Screen name and comment go together spaghetti and meatballs. +1

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    BoudicaHamilton Nolan
    10/15/15 10:43am

    Damn women. Can’t take waitressing. I mean, how hard is it to take my order correctly and not have a stroke?

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      Don't drone me broBoudica
      10/15/15 10:47am

      Maybe it's not the guests. Maybe it's all the Gordon Ramsey wannabes in the kitchen.

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