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DolemiteHamilton Nolan
10/14/15 2:04pm
Most media seem to indicate Hillary won, but most surveys and polls show Bernie won. Even Slate’s own poll has Bernie at 70%+, while Slate’s authors declare Hillary the victor for some reason. Anyhow, if Hillary truly means half of the things she said, the country may be better off. However, she’s shown to ally with whatever topics are popular, so by the time she’s elected, who knows what her stances will change to? Meanwhile, Bernie’s opinions have always been what they are: get rid of the corporate influence on politics, build up education, get rid of protections for corporate interests, pay Americans better, build the middle class, help out those less fortunate. Hillary might say it “better”, but do you want someone that speaks eloquently and tells you want you want to hear, or someone that isn’t as smooth and tells you the truth to your face, and believes it?
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  Dave Dolemite
  10/14/15 2:10pm
  The Media desperately wants to be the one who shapes the decision in 2016, and are freaking out as they increasingly realize they can’t. Trump kicked a hole in their boat, and do not mistake me as a supporter for the Human Cheese Puff, on the Republican side and Bernie did on the Dem’s. They feel if they just keep saying Hillary over and over they can make it come true. Now, admittedly, I suspect they are right, and while I would prefer Bernie, I do not realistically see him as the nominee. Sadly, I do not live in that country. (So, vote Bernie like me and prove me wrong)
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  Katie ElizabethDolemite
  10/14/15 2:11pm
  Unfortunately, a great many idiots prefer style over substance.
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Dave Hamilton Nolan
10/14/15 2:01pm
If by “winning” one means “Not doing anything to fuck up” she did. It was a solid performance by knowledgeable, professional politician. Whether that is a “win” for the country or not, remains to be seen. I am just practicing holding my nose and pressing the button for Hillary. #reality
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  BrandoniumDave
  10/14/15 2:09pm
  Thing is, most of us I think are tired of so called “professional politicians”. They know what everyone wants to hear, change course when popular opinion does and will say anything to get elected. They know the system professionally and know how to generate the funds and cash flow to purchase elections. Professional politicians are the last thing this country needs right now.
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  RedBeansAndRiceDidMissHerDave
  10/14/15 2:10pm
  I was undecided, and now I’m likely to vote for her in my meaningless primary state’s meaningless primary. And she made me feel a little better about voting for her in the general, not that I was even going to consider voting for whatever turd the GOP puts up.
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Jerry-NetherlandHamilton Nolan
10/14/15 2:03pm
Bernie won the debate. Hillary redeemed herself admirably, but the press had pre-written their “Hillary won it” scripts - down to whom the networks booked for punditry - before the debate began. She’d have had to have shown up drunk to have not been called the winner in the MSM.

Proof of this came right on CNN, when they had a panel of “undecided voters” interviewed immediately after the debate, ALL OF WHOM said they now preferred BERNIE. Then, asked by the very mainstream media who have been propagating the “inevitability” of Hillary, all said she would be the nominee! Oh, CNN.

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  zeosoneJerry-Netherland
  10/14/15 2:10pm
  She had her moments. But, Bernie was by far the stand out candidate.
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  김치전!Jerry-Netherland
  10/14/15 2:17pm
  A drunk, Truth Telling Hillary would have been amazing last night. Maybe she’d have finally admitted to personally murdering Vince Foster!
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eXtoferHamilton Nolan
10/14/15 2:04pm
I really like Bernie Sanders. He just represents what I believe more than any other candidate right now. His gurgly voice annoys me, but I don’t have to hear him to know he’s doing his job.
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  burlivesleftnuteXtofer
  10/14/15 2:11pm
  I liked how someone described Bernie as someone who is talking that is constantly late to catch his bus. Perfect.
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  Psychopomps: Taking Gawker to the Great Blog in the SkyeXtofer
  10/14/15 2:23pm
  I also thought his voice and accent were odd at first but it really adds something to his oration. It makes his speech seem less refined and polished and more passionate and pedestrian, kind of reflecting his attitudes on politics and popular reform.
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SweetChelseaHamilton Nolan
10/14/15 2:01pm
FUCK YES SHE DID.

She mopped the floor with that sarcastic fat old bastard so hard that dumb shit even told everyone to forget about the emails!!! Can you imagine!??

“Oh, umm Hillary sir, if I may have a word please? Yes, everyone, ummm, please forget about Hillary’s emails. I too believe it is not worth talking about.”

CAN YOU BELIEVE IT???

She made Bernie bow down and kiss the ring in front of the entire world!!!
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  Gamblor JDSweetChelsea
  10/14/15 2:04pm
  Bernie is nothing but a straight white male.
  
  Wtf?
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  TheBurningAnnexSweetChelsea
  10/14/15 2:07pm
  A Brooklyn born Jew who went to college in Chicago is a hick? Okay.
  
  Also the email thing makes him look good, because it demonstrates he’s more interested in the issues than personal scandals.
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Frankenbike666Hamilton Nolan
10/14/15 3:06pm

What is funny, is you can’t find CNN’s poll anywhere on their site (as of this writing). There is not a single mention of CNN’s Facebook poll in this article:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/14/pol…

Pundits are the very definition of the political establishment. They make the political establishment. And all of them are Hillary Whores.

CNN has lost all credibility with me. They’re basically the Hillary show. Anyway, here’s the CNN poll CNN doesn’t want you to see, none of their pundits will acknowledge, and that they wish they could erase from the Internet (they’re doing a pretty good job).

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  cepalgFrankenbike666
  10/14/15 3:52pm
  It’s interesting, because the establishment loves Hillary, but the major news networks absolutely hate her guts. It’s the reason why you’ve seen so much stumping for Biden: the media really, really does not want Hillary to win, but they’re legit scared of what might happen if Bernie gets the nod.
  
  Hillary has no friends at the major news outlets, mostly because ever since Lewinsky she has made it a core political doctrine that the media will get NOTHING from her without her having signed off on it. It’s why you saw so much frenzied reporting on the email non-story: there was a hope that surely, she must have had something to hide, she wasn’t just telling us to fuck off because she didn’t like us.
  
  Yeah, well, that didn’t pan out.
  
  Take heart: it is not that the media are in the tank for Hillary, nothing could be further from the truth. It is that the media really, really do not want to have to deal with Bernie Sanders, and as a result are pretending their hardest he doesn’t exist except for as a sign Joe Biden should run.
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  Frankenbike666cepalg
  10/14/15 4:09pm
  Can you please list your “major news outlets”? In the Democratic race, they all favor coverage of Clinton over Sanders except FOX, which might as well rename itself the Benghazi Channel.
  
  NYT, LAT, WP, CNN, MSNBC, NBC News...all love her. Compared to Bernie Sanders.
  
  Bernie Sanders is making the Democratic establishment, including the mainstream media, very nervous. So they’re pushing Biden because he’s got better liberal establishment cred and isn’t as disingenuous as Clinton.
  
  Clinton can’t run away from the fact that she’s been pro Wall Street, has big Wall Street donations, has been pro free-trade, is a serious hawk, and is generally not union friendly. Her record on the TPP is going to trump her sudden “me too” turnaround. She was the architect of that agreement, she chose who to invite in planning it, and labor was left out in the cold.
  
  She was resolutely anti-gay-marriage. When she worked on her Universal Health Care package when Bill was prez, like Obama she gave the insurance companies everything they wanted. And then they turned around and bought ads opposing it.
  
  Nearly every mainstream media site had Hillary as the “clear” winner of the debate.
  
  You’re right that the media don’t want to deal with Sanders. They don’t want to deal with a populist who represents the people, when they have a candidate their parent companies have contributed to for favors in the future.
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burner2020Hamilton Nolan
10/14/15 2:04pm
Bernie Sanders won the debate. Hillary is too scared to even be pro-marijuana legalization. Fuck her establishment bullshit. Bernie was for gay marriage . . . in 1995. Bernie was against invading Iraq . . . in 2003. Bernie crushed Hillary.
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  Sean Brodyburner2020
  10/14/15 2:08pm
  Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 82
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  kittyironsideSean Brody
  10/14/15 2:18pm
  Exactly. I’m hearing the same sort of fan boy Ralph Nader emotion from “cool guy liberal steves” who kinda hate women even though they call themselves feminist.
  
  The Democrats have to win the general election. Who won when Ralph Nader ran? Nader famously said it has to get worse before it gets better but we live with the damage of Republican presidents and their federal judges for DECADES after.
  
  Guess who decided that amazon employees don’t have to get paid for mandatory 45 minutes wait to leave the building? Judges appointed after Nader lost.
  
  Eat it “cool liberal boy steve"
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jasoneliasHamilton Nolan
10/14/15 2:10pm
I think Hillary Clinton won the debate. She got tougher questions, maintained her composure and articulated her answers (especially the foreign policy questions) based in her unique experience as a senator and a Secretary of State.

Bernie Sanders did very well, so much so that I wish that Clinton and Sanders would run together.
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  ReburnsABurningReturnsjasonelias
  10/14/15 2:21pm
  I don’t know that they get each other much of anything, but I would have said the same thing about Biden running with Obama, so maybe they will.
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  TheObviousjasonelias
  10/14/15 2:21pm
  They just might. It’s not like Biden is going be VP for another 8.
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Jujymonkey3Hamilton Nolan
10/14/15 2:07pm
who won and lost is meaningless. The general public looks at everything in a good guy v. bad guy narrative or else they lose interest. I thought they were all good in their own way. In the case of Chafee it was that he managed to not visibly pee his pants and I now am aware that Webb has killed a man and may possibly kill again
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  Esme Squalor4Jujymonkey3
  10/14/15 2:14pm
  ... but, but, but everything MUST be a competition! Not worth watching otherwise. Too akin to learning.
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  Jujymonkey3Esme Squalor4
  10/14/15 2:17pm
  Precisely. Everything has to be staged like a reality show.
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Pink SkullHamilton Nolan
10/14/15 3:11pm
You want to break Hillarybot? Just ask her for a firm opinion on the legalization of marijuana. She won’t be able to answer because she knows its trending toward widespread favorability, but hasn’t reached critical mass yet. By next year maybe it’s here and she’s giving hokey “Bill inhaled” eyeroll jokes, but we’re not there yet. She won’t know what the fuck to do. She can’t joke about it because people are in prison over it. She can’t say she’s against it, because she knows where this is ending up politically. She doesn’t want to be the weed candidate.
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  CotHoffeePink Skull
  10/14/15 3:41pm
  She said she was against incarcerating users and the enforcement should be up to the states. Explain to me what is wrong with that.
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  Pink SkullCotHoffee
  10/14/15 3:57pm
  Well considering that minorities are much more likely to be convicted and have their lives ruined over a very common recreation, that’s essentially her saying it should be a states right to decide if they are going to continue to lock people up unfairly.
  
  And there is a huge difference. I’m white and was caught smoking in public by a cop. Got a court summons and got off with a warning and no fine. And when I tell that story to my black friends they look at me like I said when I went to court I turned into a centipede and crawled under the crack in the door until I was free.
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FUCK YES SHE DID.