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Graby SauceJ.K. Trotter
10/05/15 1:17pm
You asked him if he used a clintonemail.com; he denied having one. Now you say he used a gmail account and that he lied about it. Uh, no, he never denied having or using or emailing reporters on a personal account.

And I don’t really get what you’re alleging here. If the State Dept has his personal email account emails, it means he turned them over to them as required, correct? You seem to be upset that every utterance to a reporter wasn’t initially turned over to the State Dept, even when the conversation was not an official or substantive statement. Going tit-for-tat with Jake Tapper doesn’t really seem like an official State Dept function. But now you have every single utterance, I guess, and there still is no there there.
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  Cajunman90Graby Sauce
  10/05/15 1:32pm
  They asked about all personal email addresses possibly used to conduct state business, not just the clintonemail.com one. See one of the original articles.
  
  In an email to Gawker, Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill denied that Reines was ever given, or ever used, a ClintonEmail.com address. “He has never had one, not for communicating with anyone about anything,” he wrote. Merrill did not respond, however, to questions about whether Reines used a private account at a different provider, such as Yahoo! or Gmail, to conduct official agency business.
  
  The issue here is that the rules were broken, knowingly broken. Whether they were trying to hide something or not, we can’t know for sure, because who knows if the emails they turned over included everything. That’s why there are rules in place to make sure everything gets archived. Do you really trust Reines enough to believe they turned over everything? Because that seems to be very naive.
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  Graby SauceCajunman90
  10/05/15 1:53pm
  Merrill did not respond, however, to questions about whether Reines used a private account at a different provider, such as Yahoo! or Gmail, to conduct official agency business.
  
  How does this amount to “Reines lied”? It doesn’t.
  
  Furthermore, Reines tacitly acknowledged that he used personal email:
  
  Now, to answer your question: email is a two way street. You’d be surprised how many reporters deliberately email government officials to their personal accounts. You’d be equally surprised to know that when they did, I moved the exchange to my state.gov account because, between you and me, my personal account is about the last place I want to be emailing reporters or conducting work.
  
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  As I think we can all agree, USG officials are permitted to use non-official accounts in the course of their job. There are reasons that happens. An outsider could email you at your personal account, maybe because they only have that address. Maybe their official email is on the fritz. Maybe they lost their device. Maybe they made a mistake. I don’t know. But again, there are legitimate non-nefarious reasons, and there should be a measure of benefit of the doubt afforded to people. In four years, I must have sent and received nearly half a million email. The vast vast vast vast majority, maybe four ‘vast’s, the overwhelming majority, whatever term means closer to 100% than 99%, that’s where I’m guessing my average is. If you want to skewer me over a non-100% rate, I can’t do much about that.
  From my perspective, if I were emailing with a reporter, I had to assume that it could end up in the public domain, as the exchange with Michael reminded me the very hard way. That’s just the nature of the beast, and what email account you use isn’t going to prevent that. Not to mention that much of what’s written to reporters is purposefully meant for the public domain since that’s the job. And believe me, I’d be far happier with you all having a field day poring through my largely boring and tedious email, than unfairly and erroneously reading that I intentionally undermined or circumvented the process.
  
  The issue here is that the rules were broken, knowingly broken.
  
  WRONG. There were no rules stating that personal email could not be used. Personal email use was explicitly allowed as long as work-related emails were preserved.
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RooseveltsRevengeJ.K. Trotter
10/05/15 1:05pm
MOST BORING SCANDAL EVER.

I feel bad for you, JK. I’m so sorry you had to read through all this BORING shit.

Watergate, Kennedy assassination, Iran -Contra, Iraq... All the scandals in america’s history, and you want to come at me with Email?

NO1CURR

The GOP used millions in taxpayer dollars to run one of the longest investigations in our history, longer than all those up there, and have to give the American people something. So we get... Email. Fucking email.

God forbid these fuckers get the White House.
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  Rev Les CrowleyRooseveltsRevenge
  10/05/15 1:21pm
  Al Capone didn’t pay his taxes.
  
  That said, it’s possible the Clinton campaign is behind emailgate, so they can call it old news once the campaigning gets serious.
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  RooseveltsRevengeRev Les Crowley
  10/05/15 1:30pm
  That’s ridiculous.
  
  What’s more likely:
  
  -Clinton is actually behind all this to get it out long before the election heats up.......
  
  Or....
  
  -The GOP are so inept that they pulled out their big guns 20 months before the actual election, and did so in a way that reveals their own deceptive use of government resources?
  
  I think the answer is plain. Did you see the planned parenthood committee question Richards? They’re like a 3 ring circus.
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BurnBabyBurnJ.K. Trotter
10/05/15 12:55pm
Wait, so you guys DONT want Hillary to win?

I thought we were on #TeamOvaries this time...
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  spidyredneckjediBurnBabyBurn
  10/05/15 1:02pm
  Not all Democrats believe Hillary is the best candidate for the party. This e-mail scandal, even if it is politically motivated, is probably what will kill her campaign.
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  PolitifuckedBurnBabyBurn
  10/05/15 1:11pm
  It’s almost like the reporters report stuff because they found it out and reporting stuff is good for a reporters career, not just because they have some overarching conspiracy to make sure someone or other does something or other.
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ironic_usernameJ.K. Trotter
10/05/15 1:17pm
Was there this much media attention paid to the fact that the Bush administration relied on private email servers and then intentionally deleted 21 million of them before they scurried from office? Or that the guy who ran those email servers was killed in an inexplicable plane crash the day before he was supposed to be deposed in the case?
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  Mercynealironic_username
  10/05/15 1:31pm
  The Bush administration did NOT rely on private email servers. Mrs. Clinton is the only one Secretary of State who had one, and the only secretary of State since they began using email who didn’t use a government email address
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  ironic_usernameMercyneal
  10/05/15 1:44pm
  Take a look at the linked article, then tie a plastic bag over your head and continue breathing normally. It’ll all be over soon.
  
  White House Emails Missing - 2007
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jrfunkensteinJ.K. Trotter
10/05/15 2:26pm
Jesus; this idiot might as well be a fucking Republican for all the ammo he’s provided the GOP to bring their wrath on Hillary’s already sputtering campaign.

This is why I believe that no one over 50 should even be considered for President at this time in history when a young, energetic and vibrant individual is required to stay abreast of the enormous transformations occurring in society, technology and world affairs and not get exposed as someone who cannot fathom or accept these changes.
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  The Militant Moderatejrfunkenstein
  10/05/15 2:50pm
  Obama keeps up with no problem and is over 50.
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  jrfunkensteinThe Militant Moderate
  10/05/15 3:03pm
  He was 47 when first elected, and let’s be frank here; the US won’t be seeing the likes of this kind of modern, energetic president for some time, not when you look at who is currently seeking the position.
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I am the LawJ.K. Trotter
10/05/15 1:03pm
Whenever I read articles about this preines guy from you guys, it really seems as if you’re grasping at straws to be honest. I mean, you maybe (probably) are right that he used his personal email account to send work-oriented messages, but just seems to me that the evidence is somewhat speculative and circumstantial.
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  Jerry-NetherlandI am the Law
  10/05/15 1:24pm
  Really, emails linking published articles and discussing the press. Nothing classified about the content. Nothing else in here seems worth the time it takes to read it (except that two State Dept. officials dished various media outlets).
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10" Rubber BilboJ.K. Trotter
10/05/15 1:03pm
Has anyone else here wondered how this whole thing is going to affect how people in government communicate in the future? Clearly Clinton’s theory was that she and some of her aides could communicate privately, ‘off the books’ through use of personal emails. And frankly, they weren’t exactly wrong: Other than a few emails with secret details, most of what they did was not so much illegal as it was just very intensely shady. And I’d bet anything that there are probably 50 or 100 major elected officials from both parties who have this sort of arrangement for back-channel communication with their aides/allies/major donors/etc.

But as I say, I wonder if people are watching this whole thing unfold and thinking “We need a new playbook.” And just what will that playbook be? Maybe the Lindsey Graham Option? “Just don’t ever email anyone, ever.” But more likely it’ll be something where a Senator and his aides will find some incredibly obscure messaging app and all share one account, communicate solely through World of Warcraft private guild chat, hold up handwritten messages and photograph them on Instagram for each other, etc.

EDIT: Hmm, there’ll be a thing: You’ll be flying through some obscure system in EVE Online, scanning for space debris, and you find a strange anomalous reading. Turns out its a locked container left WAY off the beaten path. You hack it and find, inside, 5,000 pages of secret correspondence between Ted Cruz and the King Salman of Saudi Arabia...
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  TimF10110" Rubber Bilbo
  10/05/15 1:48pm
  Well shit, that happens all the time. I was hacking my way through an obscure corner of Asheron’s Call way back when that was a thing and I ran into a wizard and a blood elf (or whatever) strategizing their divorce case.
  
  And in all sincerity, could you link me to the very intensely shady stuff? I have honestly not heard anything to make me think that the email thing was more than a convenient but dumb continuation of what every other Secretary of State has done.
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LordBurleighJ.K. Trotter
10/05/15 1:00pm
Given the speed and alacrity with which big universities are outsourcing their email servers to Gmail, I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if the US government eventually did so, too.
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medrawtJ.K. Trotter
10/05/15 2:30pm
I have a private/personal email account (more than one, actually). I have a work email account provided by my employer, a consulting company. And I have another work email account provided by the client of my company where I spend 99% of my time. I’m pretty confident that I’m the only person on the planet who actually has good discipline keeping the purposes of the different accounts distinct.
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thed0nJ.K. Trotter
10/05/15 12:54pm
luckily, gawker’s commentariat has already let me know this is all just a witch hunt
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  10" Rubber Bilbothed0n
  10/05/15 1:05pm
  The EIGHT congressional investigations into thatghazi have sort of given us that impression, yes.
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