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    Deeply Moral NihilistTaylor Berman
    9/24/15 10:03am

    Fellow atheists: let's seize upon this opportunity to not make fun of 717 dead people.

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      10" Rubber BilboDeeply Moral Nihilist
      9/24/15 10:09am

      I will admit that I sat looking at this on my screen, my arrow motionless over “Reply” for a good 60 seconds, before saying, “Nah. I have nothing to contribute.”

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      BSTrainerDeeply Moral Nihilist
      9/24/15 10:15am

      I’m an atheist, but I don’t begrudge other people’s beliefs so long as they aren’t hurting anyone. Mostly I can’t get over how sad this is. So many of those people probably saved money their entire lives to make this pilgrimage, and would have been overjoyed to finally fulfill their religious obligation, only to die when they got there due to poor crowd control. Anyone who can find humour in that is fucked up.

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    levarienTaylor Berman
    9/24/15 10:11am

    Absolutely tragic. And yet, 5 million predominantly drunk people will pass through Theresienwiese during Oktoberfest over the next few weeks with little to no loss of life. This is absolutely the failure of the Saudi state to protect pilgrims.

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      BusPassTrollop curls up and dieslevarien
      9/24/15 10:13am

      Is it? Or is it the fault of the people? I’m genuinely not sure.

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      25% Meaner Godzooks - BACK TO EVENlevarien
      9/24/15 10:16am

      This is the failure of human beings to not trample other human beings.

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    J0H4WKTaylor Berman
    9/24/15 10:05am

    This is the 4th article I’ve read about this, and I still don’t understand WHY there was a stampede. Anyone?

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      clickSuckaJ0H4WK
      9/24/15 10:17am

      Irrational exuberance creating a bubble of people, then everyone jumping ship, so to speak.

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      JoshDigiJ0H4WK
      9/24/15 10:41am

      Because religion.

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    BackToFrontTheTaintYearsTaylor Berman
    9/24/15 1:41pm

    Religion in all its forms is a sickness on humanity and I’ll tell you right now if any God did exist in any form I’d still be against the motherfucker. Atheism is too light an approach for this world, Anti-Theism is where we should be at.

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      YoureDisgustingxoxoBackToFrontTheTaintYears
      9/24/15 2:18pm

      You sound more violent and militant than most religious folks. You clearly have it right.

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      BackToFrontTheTaintYearsYoureDisgustingxoxo
      9/24/15 2:23pm

      Well in that you would be wrong, as a matter of principal I don’t support or use violence as any form of making a change in the world. Though I am vehement in my opinion that the sooner society can down grade reliance on religion the better we shall be. I will continue to support a anti-deity movement.

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    PeteRRTaylor Berman
    9/24/15 10:28am

    Giant statue at Bamyan representing Buddha: bad and will be destroyed.

    Giant stone representing Satan: two thumbs up!

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      Zsa Zsa GaborgPeteRR
      9/24/15 10:57am

      First, it’s Bamiyan. And not to defend the Taliban here, but you understand that the ban on representational art doesn’t apply to ancient stone pillars, right? The Buddhas were literal, these are figurative. Not to mention that the Buddhas were destroyed for internal political reasons, and the Islamic proscription against idolatry was only used as cover.

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      PeteRRZsa Zsa Gaborg
      9/24/15 11:00am

      The Buddhas weren’t literally the Gautama Buddha. They were representations. Just like the stone in Mina represents Satan.

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    Sean BrodyTaylor Berman
    9/24/15 10:01am

    The Saudis just spent billions making Mecca safer too, trying to prevent this exact kind of thing.
    Awful stuff.

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      cuntybawsSean Brody
      9/24/15 10:07am

      Different kind of stoners over here, friend...

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      kreniereSean Brody
      9/24/15 10:08am

      Not enough faithul.

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    ItsAFake45Taylor Berman
    9/24/15 10:10am

    For years the Saudis have been warned over the growing danger of having so many people in one place. Instead of building better temporary structures and homes and roadways for the poor and the masses they’ve been building luxury hotels for the mega rich.

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      Darmok eats Challah at 12NagraItsAFake45
      9/24/15 10:13am

      I’ve read that when the Saudis took over Mecca, they basically destroyed a lot buildings and infrastructure designed to mitigate the amount of people in one place. I guess greed trumps their ultraconservative beliefs.

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      NorthEastWASPstateEmployeeDarmok eats Challah at 12Nagra
      9/24/15 10:16am

      They tore down a mosque that was 900 years old to build a giant hotel.

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    Governor McCheeseTaylor Berman
    9/24/15 10:03am

    I’m sitting in Philadelphia wondering what the authorities here do to prevent this from happening during the Pope visit. Any police or security professionals out there have any insight? Will police stop letting people through checkpoints after a certain critical mass? Is it ok because there are enough side streets for the crowd to safely disburse if there is a panic? I’m genuinely curious.

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      ItsAFake45Governor McCheese
      9/24/15 10:07am

      While the Pope’s tour is wildly popular the Hajj is something different. The place this happened was actually a temporary tent city made to house visitors.

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      rockymtnaquaGovernor McCheese
      9/24/15 10:07am

      Allow me to help:

      Our idiots don’t involve idiots that traveled a very long way to throw rocks at rocks, and are thus more likely to not trample each other to death.

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    SrynersonTaylor Berman
    9/24/15 10:02am

    Tangential, but I wondered why Gawker failed to report the crane collapse when it happened.

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      mawsim2Srynerson
      9/24/15 12:01pm

      Why does a kid who brought a suspicious device to school and ended up being arrested get many posts, while this is probably the only post we are going to get concerning this stampede?

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    OctoberSurpriseTaylor Berman
    9/24/15 11:22am

    This happens ALL THE DAMN TIME during Hajj. Come one, Saudi Arabia, it aint that hard to implement some enhanced crowd control processes.

    • July 2, 1990 : A stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel (Al-Ma’aisim tunnel) leading out from Mecca towards Mina and thePlains of Arafat led to the deaths of 1,426 pilgrims, many of them of Malaysian, Indonesian and Pakistani origin.[2][3]
    • May 23, 1994 : A stampede killed at least 270 pilgrims at the stoning of the Devil ritual.
    • April 9, 1998: at least 118 pilgrims were trampled to death and 180 injured in an incident on Jamarat Bridge.[4]
    • March 5, 2001: 35 pilgrims were trampled to death in a stampede during the stoning of the Devil ritual.[5]
    • February 11, 2003: The stoning of the Devil ritual claimed 14 pilgrims’ lives.[6]
    • February 1, 2004: 251 pilgrims were killed and another 244 injured in a stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina.[7]
    • January 12, 2006: A stampede during the stoning of the Devil on the last day of the Hajj in Mina killed at least 346 pilgrims and injured at least 289 more. The incident occurred shortly after 13:00 local time, when a busload of travellers arrived together at the eastern access ramps to the Jamarat Bridge. This caused pilgrims to trip, rapidly resulting in a lethal stampede. An estimated two million people were performing the ritual at the time.
    • September 24, 2015: More than 700 pilgrims were killed and another 800 injured during a stampede in the 2015 Hajj.[8]
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