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    Missypoo50Taylor Berman
    6/05/15 9:49pm

    ... yet the liberal media is the only one “exploiting” these girls. Riiiighhhttt....

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      Don't drone me broMissypoo50
      6/05/15 9:58pm

      “The tears just now- can you describe the emotional pain in excruciating detail again? Most of our viewers are hard of hearing, better safe than sorry.”

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      Graby SauceMissypoo50
      6/05/15 10:00pm

      They are on REALITY TV every single week; I don’t think their parents can be surprised or upset that their business got into the street— THEY PUT IT OUT THERE. That’s the chance they took when they decided to put money ahead of their kids’ well-being. The victims didn’t have a say (or at least didn’t have final say) about being on TV and their upset about the report being released is understandable, but their parents should have known that there are both up and down sides to fame, and sought to protect their family.

      I can’t say enough how much I fault the Duggar parents for all of this— for raising a child molester, for teaching fucked up values about sex and about people who aren’t like them, for failing to get proper help for Josh, for failing to get appropriate help for the victims of Josh, for holding themselves up as the squeaky-clean, God-fearing examples of all that’s good and right with marriage and kids, for putting themselves on TV to be held up as celebrities and being unprepared for the negativity attendant with that, and trying to grift money to afford their otherwise unaffordable, unsustainable passel of kids. It’s all the parents’ fault.

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    chattygalTaylor Berman
    6/05/15 9:50pm

    Jessa was so stoic when Jill broke down. It was just terribly painful on so many levels as a mere observer.

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      Missypoo50chattygal
      6/05/15 9:55pm

      Jessa probably doesn’t know how to react since Mommy and Daddy were most likely nearby. Also, I loved how Megs made sure to note Jill’s son was upstairs crying as they were being interviewed. God.

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      chattygalMissypoo50
      6/05/15 9:57pm

      I missed a bit of it, that’s terrible about Kelly’s commentary.

      These poor girls are so unable to mentally or emotionally breathe on their own...

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    the johnTaylor Berman
    6/05/15 9:52pm

    I get it. Regardless of the other fuckery that happens in that family, I’m sure that seeing the country have a Very Important Conversation about your traumas must be awful. On he other hand, the Duggar industrial complex is signing up for these interviews, so they can’t be to sympathetic. On the third hand, they basically have Stockholm syndrome from birth so can’t be expected to behave rationally.

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      Missypoo50the john
      6/05/15 9:54pm

      Jill and Jessa made the decision to come forward. Let’s not get it twisted.

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      elMissypoo50
      6/05/15 10:03pm

      The fact that they are producing the babies now is why they came forward. Mom and Dad are up shit creek without a zygote!

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    HoldenCashTaylor Berman
    6/05/15 10:19pm

    I grew up in an environment similar to this (parents were normal but oblivious, sent me to insane fundamentalist schools until we decided to leave the church my senior year)

    Here’s some info that will help explain why the girls seem “real” and intelligent yet on some issues completely delusional and illogical...

    They may be “brainwashed” but **part of them is completely aware it’s all bullshit**...they don’t know how to label and contextualize the feelings, but they know...

    They act certain ways and be sure to use certain words **to placate their parents**

    You see, before, during, and after in private the parents constantly bash and downtalk “sinners” and “worldly” things...it’s constant...the girls have heard nothing but this all their lives...**they know the drill** and make sure to hit all the talking points so mom and dad won’t bitch at them

    An analogy is the way North Koreans project that rabid adulation we see in news reports:

    They know North Korea is a dictatorship and they are oppressed, but the oppression is so complete and routine that they just fall into a way of talking and acting.

    Some people actually split and loose it...they become delusional or BPD (borderline personality disorder) and even scizophrenia...you guys...you just wouldn’t believe the creeping mental illness in these communities...it’s like a mold that you see underneath the wallpaper.

    Lot’s of very sad situations and hurting people in all this.

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      ohstewardessHoldenCash
      6/05/15 11:18pm

      Thank you for this. A lot of people are saying they didn’t have to agree to this interview but I doubt they had any real choice.

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      KarenDelaneyWalkerHoldenCash
      6/05/15 11:28pm

      Please feel free to ignore this question if it is more than you would like to share. I’m curious as to what caused you and your family to leave the church? I’m mostly curious because my sister has become part of a crazy fundamentalist church and she’s become a totally different person. She’s essentially exiled herself and her children from our family. I realize everyone’s situation is different but hearing that others got out keeps me hopeful. Thanks!

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    Myrna MinkoffTaylor Berman
    6/05/15 9:56pm

    Jessa is much better trained at sticking to the talking points. Mom and Dad must be proud.

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      Missypoo50Myrna Minkoff
      6/05/15 10:06pm
      GIF
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      RenoldsMyrna Minkoff
      6/05/15 11:00pm

      It’s a different way of coping, I think. Jill cries, Jessa shuts down.

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    KarenDelaneyWalkerTaylor Berman
    6/05/15 10:04pm

    “You can’t FOIA juvenile cases.”

    This is not true. Unless a judge seals the juvenile record, it can be the subject of a FOIA once the subject of the record is no longer a juvenile. Someone needs to update their talking points.

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      matt.maraKarenDelaneyWalker
      6/06/15 2:42am

      I was wondering about that. I knew that juvenile records are sealed in just about every case, but my thinking with the Duggar “case” was that there was no real record to seal (no charges, no judicial records, no punishment—just a police report written in, I think, 2006).

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      tidewithwinterwhitematt.mara
      6/06/15 3:12am

      I’m sure that’s probably why (the “just a police report”), but I’ve also heard it was because Josh was 18 in 2006 at the time of the report, so since he was the one investigated and he was an adult at that time it wouldn’t have been sealed. Disclaimer: all hearsay, haven’t fact checked myself.

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    kantwistayeTaylor Berman
    6/05/15 9:52pm

    I feel so awful for these girls. To have to deal with the fact that your older brother molested you is awful enough, but to be used by your parents as pawns to fend off criticism is so infuriatingly awful.

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      c'est-a-direkantwistaye
      6/05/15 10:09pm

      Not if you’re trained to not notice!

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    CleverUsernameTaylor Berman
    6/05/15 10:11pm

    “....this is something we’ve already dealt with. We’ve already forgiven Josh. We’ve already moved on....” she says through tears.

    It’s obvious to me that there is a lot of pain and unresolved issues here. Clearly they haven’t worked through it all. I wish these girls the best possible recovery and I also hope that they shouldn’t be blaming the for their pain; they should be blaming Josh, Jim Bob, and Michelle for not doing enough to stop and correct the abusive behavior, and for thrusting the whole family into the spotlight for their ‘Godliness’, knowing all along that this history was a ticking time bomb.

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      poseicustardTaylor Berman
      6/05/15 9:58pm

      (a) They’re angry that sex crimes have been publicized. They were the victims, so fair enough.

      (b) They think the issue has been “dealt with.” That guy has kids now — he’ll probably have many more, many of them girls. He did not have any therapy or treatment worth mentioning. He abused a 5-year old girl, which is NOT normal or ignorable. It has not been dealt with. The VICTIMS have been “dealt with”, by the family. The abuser has had a golden life, with no consequences or help, up until now.

      (c) Fine, you’ve forgiven Josh. Your dear forgiven brother went on to hate and fear-monger and destroy other people’s lives. Just wreck loving relationships, and the good kids that might have been raised under those relationships. What right did he have? What forgiveness is he seeking there? And from whom? What the fuck were any of you thinking? Fuck that.

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        matt.maraposeicustard
        6/06/15 2:51am

        I don’t think they’re angry about the publication of what happened. They’ve been taught and had it drilled into their heads that they aren’t the victims, after all. I feel like this is projection from Ma and Pa who are absolutely pissed that this might disrupt the gravy train.

        Now, these women could have easily escaped a great deal of scrutiny, but they came forward and said (essentially) “Yes, we were two of the girls Josh inappropriately touched.” (I hate that phrase with a passion.) If these women want to be angry at someone, they’ve got three perfect targets for their anger: Ma and Pa and...hm. Oh yeah—BLAME THE FUCKER WHO ACTUALLY MOLESTED YOU.

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      Emile ZolaesqueTaylor Berman
      6/05/15 10:23pm

      Just to be clear to those defending the Duggars from all this scrutiny, these people aren’t “just a family, like your’s or mine. Let them be!” No. Just, no. They’re not “just a family” at all.

      These people represent a fringe cult of religious fanatics that actively and aggressively cast harsh judgement, in the most public way possible, on large swaths of the population whose behavior they’ve deemed immoral. That includes any woman who wants to practice birth control, gay people, transgender people, the list goes on. These people run for public office to try and enact actual legislation that would outright criminalize the behavior of those groups. And when they don’t win, they advocate for that legislation, loudly. On TV, radio, robocalls, etc. They scream their moral disapproval from the rooftops. They call gay people and transgender people “pedophiles.” And that most definitely includes the Duggar children. The older ones (Josh, in particular) are perfectly happy to espouse those very judgements with smiles on their faces.

      The Duggars aren’t just any other family. And they deserve every single bit of harsh scrutiny and criticism they get. Because to hell with them.

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