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GronkyKongTaylor Berman
6/05/15 9:38pm
Who are the Duggars btw? I could really give a fuck.

My question is why do we care about them more than what happened in Pakistan today?

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  BIlllingtonGronkyKong
  6/05/15 9:40pm
  Maybe if you used Google to look up who the Duggars are, you could see why this is also a big deal.
  
  That’s what’s great about having brains and stuff, we can care about many things at once!
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  JfinsGronkyKong
  6/05/15 9:42pm
  Goddammit I hate this why care about x when y happened bullshit. It is easy to care about both. One does not remove the other. Don't be so dense.
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Cherith CutestoryTaylor Berman
6/05/15 9:42pm
“He knew in his mind, ‘My actions are wrong and I have bad intentions,’ but he was very sly,” Seewald said. “Like the girls didn’t catch on. It was like, okay, if you catch the girl sleeping a quick feel or whatever…It was very subtle.”

She may otherwise be defending him (as she is likely being told to do) but she knows what she’s saying here. She’s saying he knew what he was doing, he knew it was wrong, he intentionally hid the activities and took advantage at moments of greatest weakness.

Sly isn’t an adjective used for the innocent and unknowing.
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  apprenticeundertakerCherith Cutestory
  6/05/15 11:30pm
  Yeah, I feel like she was speaking in code here. Also with the “forgiveness vs. trust.” She’s saying that her brother can’t be trusted around female children, and my gut says she was speaking to Josh’s wife.
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  goddammitCherith Cutestory
  6/06/15 12:36am
  Yes, sly like a fox sneaking into the hen house and groping their cutlets...
  
  I cannot think of a situation where ‘sly’ can be used in a benevolent or even neutral way.
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poseicustardTaylor Berman
6/05/15 9:49pm
He did it again and again.

He did it before and after faux-therapy.

He molested a 5-year old girl. That is not a curious teenage boy. I was a teenage boy, once. I was “curious” about fellow AP English class participants. Not any 5-year old.

“He was sly.”

“He was subtle.”

This is Christian forgiveness run through the filter of a patriarchal cult. This is Agape run amok, and the ultimate love made into ultimate self-hatred.

They know it happened. 5-year olds and 10-year olds aren’t non-sentient. They have memories and feelings and emotions. The Duggars, their parents’ wishes notwithstanding, do not have the brains of mollusks.

This is a farce, and it’s a sad farce with nothing in it but horror.
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  tashposeicustard
  6/06/15 1:20am
  I slept over a friend’s house and had her older brother do this to me. I was maybe... 8-10? He was probably around 12-14. I was half asleep, but I was confused and scared and didn’t really know what was happening, though I absolutely felt violated. It’s not until years later, once I could view it through an adult lens, that I even realized exactly what happened. Still traumatizing AF and had lots of issues from this and other instances of being molested by older neighbors boys and sexually assaulted at school. I really hope with the amount of this crap I went through with multiple perpetrators over many years is not typical, but I bet it is, at least probably for girls below the poverty line with single moms. I’ve talked candidly about this with my very close friends and they have had similar experiences, though maybe not as many. One really pathetic thing is that we all felt fortunate we had never been “rape-raped”, i.e., violently attacked by an assailant we don’t know.
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  The BattleTurkeyposeicustard
  6/06/15 10:01am
  My goodness, thank you. This isn’t Christianity, you summed it up perfectly: “this is Christian forgiveness run through the filter of a patriarchal cult.” Forgiveness, self defense, and justice are all entirely compatible, just not the way that dumb dad is saying it should be. I mean, heck, look at the life of Jesus and you’ll see all that: he forgave, he defended himself (when necessary) and he upheld justice.
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Kenhe LoginTaylor Berman
6/05/15 9:39pm
Sly and the Family Grope?
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  JRuKenhe Login
  6/05/15 9:43pm
  The Family Jrope.
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  Kenhe LoginJRu
  6/05/15 9:45pm
  
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smallgoodthingTaylor Berman
6/05/15 9:43pm
So he knew he was doing bad things for bad reasons and he took pains to avoid getting caught. But it’s totes okay because they were mostly clothed and mostly sleeping.
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  c'est-a-diresmallgoodthing
  6/05/15 10:01pm
  Mostly.
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  VassagoMythc'est-a-dire
  6/05/15 11:18pm
  
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Tiago SimõesTaylor Berman
6/05/15 9:40pm
“It’s not rape if you’re sly.”

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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  Kenhe LoginTiago Simões
  6/05/15 9:42pm
  
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  ChurchofFridayNightLightsKenhe Login
  6/05/15 10:20pm
  Devil horns! He has devil horns!
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ChallahbackTaylor Berman
6/05/15 9:44pm
“mostly” asleep

The final nail in the ‘they didn’t know until he confessed’ narrative.
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  c'est-a-direChallahback
  6/05/15 10:00pm
  We wish.
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ghostandgoblinTaylor Berman
6/05/15 11:11pm
You don’t call someone who is innocent and curious “sly.” You say that about a predator who knows what they are doing and trying to normalize it. People who go through the process of finding and molesting a victim know exactly what they are doing.

This also tells me that these ladies are far more intelligent than their creep dad and mom think they are. They know.
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  Aliceghostandgoblin
  6/05/15 11:59pm
  Despite their shoddy home school education, most of the kids seem fairly intelligent. Too bad they aren’t given a chance for a real education. I hope some rescue group can get in contact with the sisters and educate them on how to access resources for women who grow up in these repressive and abusive situations.
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  tidewithwinterwhiteghostandgoblin
  6/06/15 2:51am
  As much as I hated some of what I heard, I definitely felt like they were far more intelligent. I’m not a viewer so I can’t speak overall, but I felt like they were smart... and crafty in the language here.
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KarenDelaneyWalkerTaylor Berman
6/05/15 9:44pm
He was so curious about girls, he felt the need to touch pre-pubescent girls while they were sleeping. Yup, totally buy that.
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  apprenticeundertakerKarenDelaneyWalker
  6/05/15 11:40pm
  When I was six, my 13-year-old neighbor molested me. He threatened to destroy my belongings if I didn’t let him put his finger in my vagina. His brother, who was a year younger than me, was in the room.
  Later that summer, he grabbed me while we were wearing swimsuits, and rubbed his semi-erection against my ass.
  I was not traumatized by these events. Why? Because when I told my parents, they lost their shit. At him, not me. My father barged into his house, into his bedroom, and let him know in no uncertain terms that what he did was sick and wrong and evil, and that if he ever did it again he was going to find himself in traction if he was lucky. This was after he talked my mom down from wanting to castrate the bastard.
  And they both let me know that not only was this not my fault, but it didn’t mean there was anything wrong with me, before or after. That their reaction wasn’t because I was somehow damaged by his actions, but because he was a predator who hurt me. That I was precious and loved and they would fight for me and my well-being.
  They also said that he was most likely curious about female anatomy, what with hormones a-stirring and all, but that normal, non-predatory pubescent boys snuck peeks at a Playboy in the convenience store, they didn’t threaten children into submitting to molestation, nor did they force genital contact on ANYONE. They made it clear that curiosity may have been the motive, but something in him was very, very sick for him to satisfy his curiosity in the manner that he chose.
  THAT is how sane parents handle the molestation of their child. And I am *so* grateful for their sanity in that situation.
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  matt.maraapprenticeundertaker
  6/06/15 2:30am
  As someone who faced a somewhat similar situation, you have my sympathy. It seems that you were braver at six than I was at 10, and that is simply amazing.
  
  Your story exemplifies how I think such incidents should be handled, although I think some psychological counseling should be employed to ensure that victims are able to healthily process what happened and ensure no continuing damage.
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Tai Chi LatteTaylor Berman
6/05/15 9:47pm
The Duggars, Honey Boo Boo, Duck Dynasty.... here’s a thought. What if it isn’t just shitty coincidence? What if child sexual abuse really is that common?
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  ruggerbabe19Tai Chi Latte
  6/05/15 11:56pm
  The rate of childhood sexual abuse for women is 24.7% according to the ACE study which had a huge number of participants and was really well designed. So yeah, it’s common as hell.
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  sxp153Tai Chi Latte
  6/06/15 12:11am
  Anyone who saw the original “Toddlers and Tiaras” would think Honey Boo Boo was being abused. The people who decided to make a whole new show about it clearly thought abuse was good TV.
  
  I don’t think child sexual abuse is that common, but I do think the people who perform it also make good reality TV. Maybe people should stop watching.
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