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    ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ : Riot GRRR is RUNNING WILDAnna Merlan
    3/10/15 6:45pm
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      thesquarerootofAnna Merlan
      3/10/15 6:39pm

      What I find so ludicrous (or one of the 900 infuriating things about this I find ludicrous) is there are so many things the FBI does take seriously that are objectively less crucial. Any one who could even maybe kinda sorta be a terrorist, no matter how flimsy our evidence? Let's follow through. Women getting doxxed and threatened with violent crimes by people we can definitely trace to those threats? Probs not a big deal, apparently. I just...I fear that no one will do anything until someone gets actually hurt, because threats against women aren't "real" until someone gets hurt. And even then the follow through could be inadequate. I just don't feel fundamentally safe in a country where my well-being overall is considered lower priority just because of my gender.

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        Ladycatpurrsthesquarerootof
        3/10/15 6:43pm

        Aaand when someone gets hurt, what did they do to ask for it? Just how short WAS that skirt on the power suit she was going to wear to those speaking opportunities? If she had just stayed home and baked a pie....gggrrrrrr!!! :-(

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        DontSWATMeBrothesquarerootof
        3/10/15 9:35pm

        LEA, FBI, NSA, CIA are all at least ~80% male, with a pretty strong MRA presence (FBI probably a bit less than the others, tho).

        You can see admitted LEA members in 8chan's /baphomet/ board helping target women for raids to ruin their real lives.

        Gee, I wonder why those we pay to protect us continue to allow harassment of women that is more frequent, more intense, longer lasting and more often conveys specific threats of violence (most often sexualized violence) than anything men receive?

        How many MRAs in positions of authority does it take to squelch legitimate investigation?

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      jeffvanhungryAnna Merlan
      3/10/15 6:45pm

      Good. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: a physical threat on the internet should per se be a crime and subject to prosecution.

      Here's a thought experiment. I challenge anyone, anyone, to make a case why it shouldn't be.

      Before you meatheads throw the first amendment at me, ask yourselves whether you truly believe that your beloved "founding fathers" envisioned the Constitution as a vehicle to allow you to bully women—or men—expressing their feminist (or any other) beliefs. Just chew on that.

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        Pobblejeffvanhungry
        3/10/15 8:44pm

        It already is! As per the article:

        Clark emphasizes that she's not calling on the DOJ to regulate the Internet or enforce laws that don't exist—just the existing federal ones that make it a crime "to transmit threats of bodily injury in interstate commerce" and the one that makes it illegal to use "electronic communication to place a person in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury."

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        Dan Seitzjeffvanhungry
        3/10/15 8:55pm

        Also, I'm like 99% sure threats of violence aren't subject to the First Amendment anyway.

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      goddessoftransitoryAnna Merlan
      3/10/15 7:54pm

      I really wish more state troopers would go talk to more of these guys. I would guess a significant percentage of them really aren't grasping that the internet is real life, that what you say on there matters in the real world, and having large, humorless people disabuse you of that notion might have an impact on some of the younger, dumber ones.

      The hard core MRA-ers, however, might double down on their efforts, seeing this as evidence that "they're having an impact."

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        Dan Seitzgoddessoftransitory
        3/10/15 8:56pm

        Also a fair chunk of them are teenage boys, who are shit scared of women and think everything on the Internet has sarcasm tags around it. Really, one visit from the trooper would probably trim this down.

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        Hot Burning Diaper GarbageDan Seitz
        3/10/15 10:30pm

        I think that that's true for the vast majority of them, even the ones that aren't dumb teenage boys: they're people who think that the internet is basically a game and who don't register that it extends into real life.

        That said, there are a fair number of them who are aware that the internet is part of real life and who just don't care. Hence people who repeatedly swat other people and think it's funny.

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      peanutbutterpretzelAnna Merlan
      3/10/15 6:40pm

      So what I'm seeing is an opportunity to create jobs by properly staffing a department that realized it had a responsibility on another front of terrorism. As a female, the kinds of vile things I get on almost a weekly basis is disgusting and I'm not even a "someone".

      Lawmakers need to get over the whole "the internet isn't real" thing and take it seriously.

      But the head of technology in the US doesn't even know how email works, so....

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        goddessoftransitorypeanutbutterpretzel
        3/10/15 7:56pm

        The sooner our governmental bodies and agencies grasp that the internet is real life the better. They care when it's Hillary sending emails or fighting over net neutrality, but that's pretty much it.

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        peanutbutterpretzelgoddessoftransitory
        3/10/15 8:02pm

        They also care when you threaten cops online. They look up IP addresses and spare nothing to get at the bad guys then. But when it's a woman, eh, that's a lot of effort and paper work.

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      Charmed22Anna Merlan
      3/10/15 6:46pm

      This is great that someone is actually speaking out about it but this will take more than one person to do something about it, here in UK they actually do take online threats of rape or any other threats very seriously, i remember when some trolls threatened the person who campaigned for Jane Austin to be on £10 banknote and they ended up in jail for 18 weeks. America loves putting people in jail so why not do it for people who actually deserve to be there, but most members of gamergate are white so that is why nothing is being done.

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        antipodesAnna Merlan
        3/10/15 6:39pm

        This is encouraging. And there's just the tiniest part of me that wants one of the more ridiculous GamerGate frothers to post threats against her. *That* would get FBI attention in a hurry.

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          WonderBoyBlueantipodes
          3/10/15 7:48pm

          GamerGate has been under FBI investigation for months now

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          ShelwoodWonderBoyBlue
          3/11/15 4:04am

          Good.

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        TadKosciuszkoAnna Merlan
        3/10/15 7:16pm

        Too busy recruiting jihadis then arresting them.

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          wyominghippieAnna Merlan
          3/10/15 6:52pm

          I'm always saddened the economic impacts have to be drawn to show the damages. Like, the dehumanization and threats weren't enough.

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            Guy Montagwyominghippie
            3/10/15 6:56pm

            there is a certain class of person that doesn't care about people, only their economic impact

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            Tilwyominghippie
            3/10/15 8:21pm

            If you threaten to bomb an oil pipeline, you can go to jail for that, in spite of the lack of recurring pipeline bombings leading anyone to believe there's a significant threat there.

            If you threaten to rape or murder a person, it's laughed off, in spite of how frequently it *actually happens*

            There are 366 *pages* (Not instances) of unsolved murders in the USA on wikipedia... And those are just the unsolved ones. How many pipeline bombings have there been?
            Which one is the empty threat?

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          Selfie-consciousAnna Merlan
          3/10/15 6:50pm

          Clapping wildly over here.

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