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D(eutsche)forceStassa Edwards
1/16/15 12:14am
It is standard for universities to control how alcohol is served on campus. A sober person serving alcohol? No kegs? No giant tubs of mixed drinks? Get over it.

When I was in grad school, we had to abide by similar rules at fucking museum receptions where there were only actual adults (grad students, profs, donors), and it wasn't so it would seem fancy—it was because the university required it. They even made us have someone present who was certified by the state to serve alcohol. Not sure what the rules for frats were, as I never attended nor gave half a shit about frat parties, but I'll go out on a limb and suggest that they were almost certainly the cause of these restrictions. Talk about getting unfairly punished—professors and old people after a lecture aren't allowed to pour their own wine because a bunch of twenty year olds try to get everyone shitfaced constantly. Yep. Only frats evvvvvvver get punished...
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  comeonpoppetD(eutsche)force
  1/16/15 12:31am
  These were absolutely the rules on my campus for both undergraduate and graduate students. Now not many people abide by them, but these were, for certain, the written rules. I know because when I was a GA, I had 4 students brought up on charges related to serving "jungle juice" and they were dismissed from the school. Deservedly so.
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  D(eutsche)forcecomeonpoppet
  1/16/15 12:36am
  Yeah, this new FOA seems less "unfair punishment" and more "correcting the fact that this wasn't already required."
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I-am-Danas-lack-of-creativityStassa Edwards
1/16/15 11:15am
These policies apply to pretty much every organization on my school's campus. Actually, it's even more strict in that we have a ticket system to prevent people from drinking too much. Having been the server at a few of these events — I totally get why it's necessary. Get over it, kids. If you want to drink without adhering to campus policies, do it in private. Greek organizations function as on-campus clubs. They have representation in the student government and receive funding. And if my Art History Club has to get all kinds of special permission to serve wine at an art show, you need to follow the same rules. Deal with it.

It's ridiculous enough that Greek organizations (which are social clubs) get more funding than the academic and philanthropic clubs. I'm glad to see that some campuses are starting to reign the Greek organizations in a little.
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  Me myself and II-am-Danas-lack-of-creativity
  1/16/15 10:26pm
  you are so stupid and i am going to tell you why:
  
  1. Greek organizations receive little to no funding from the school and schools where the greek system is allowed to flourish greeks provide a majority of donations. If you dont believe me pick an SEC school and a large building on campus and see if the namesake is a greek I challenge you to comment a building not paid for by a greek.
  
  2. Greek organizations do not need to be tied to schools. They are self sustaining, mine receives no money from the school, and operate on private property. Why can the school tell you what to do? Can the school tell a bunch of unaffiliated how to serve alcohol at a private party off campus?
  
  3. The school violated a legally building contract FACT you cannot dispute this. The schools blanket suspension was a clear violation of the agreement both the school and the greeks agreed to.
  
  4. These rules are ridiculous. I will not waste time explaining why but they will not be followed and cannot be enforced and are simply to appease idiots like you. Why should they be forced to agree to a ridiculous set of rules no one will follow.
  
  5. If you dont like how a party's alcohol is given out or how it is supervised DONT COME
  
  I would love a dispute so feel free to reply
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  I-am-Danas-lack-of-creativityMe myself and I
  1/17/15 9:11pm
  "you are so stupid and i am going to tell you why"
  
  Ah, that must be that maturity and character that Greek organizations supposedly build.
  
  "Greek organizations receive little to no funding from the school and schools where the greek system is allowed to flourish greeks provide a majority of donations. "
  
  The Greek organizations at my school receive funding from the SGA, and the school actually allowed them to put their letters on dorm buildings. Idk why the funding happens, I only know about it because the leaders of the sororities and fraternities on campus attended the same meeting as the rest of the club leaders where we fill out funding requests, and the SGA leaders went over who gets what. The dorm buildings are because my school wants to keep everyone on campus because students, in particular those affiliated with Greek life, keep getting wasted and doing stupid shit off campus which makes us look bad.
  
  "Greek organizations do not need to be tied to schools."
  
  And yet, they are. And if they want to be, they're going to have to follow the rules of the institutions they're tied to.
  
  "The school violated a legally building contract FACT you cannot dispute this."
  
  Then the those organizations should seek legal action. I'm not convinced that this is true.
  
  "These rules are ridiculous. I will not waste time explaining why but they will not be followed and cannot be enforced and are simply to appease idiots like you. Why should they be forced to agree to a ridiculous set of rules no one will follow."
  
  That's your opinion.
  
  "If you dont like how a party's alcohol is given out or how it is supervised DONT COME."
  
  I seriously doubt that the school officials who wanted to put a new policy in place are attending frat parties. But that doesn't make them any less liable for the shit that goes on at frat parties.
  
  "I would love a dispute so feel free to reply"
  
  I don't really expect to change your mind, and you should know that I'm not really going to move on my opinion either. But if you just feel like having an argument, sure I get that. We all have hostilities to vent. Some of us just have more than others, it seems.
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MountainMommaStassa Edwards
1/16/15 3:18am
These entitled little assholes need to remember, they are there at the pleasure of the university. They can be un-invited at any time. Sorry, "Greek" boys and girls, but the college and universities were around before you, some colleges and universities have managed to run quite well without you, and others could probably do much better if they'd get rid of you. You're not suspended anymore, so quit whining about it.

My small college back in the 80s had only a very few national Greek organizations. By college rules, none were allowed to have houses. All meetings were held in college classrooms, and parties were held on campus, according to college rules. They were open parties, anyone could attend. And you know what? Generally, we all got along pretty well. But the only alcohol that could be served on our campus was beer and we had to hire security for parties and there were rules as to how many kegs we were allowed to have. Get over yourselves, people. You can have fun while also having a little more control. Actually, you can have more fun if you're not passed out face-first on the floor.
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  TzaMountainMomma
  1/16/15 8:44am
  Amen! A potential frat had to wait two extra years to come to my college (and this was in 09) just because the kids from my school interested them coming and then wanting to join accidentally asked the frat to make a branch at the school in public before the school had officially invited the frat, thus meaning the frat had accepted an invite they weren't given and "embarrassing" the school by "acting entitled to the acceptance" or something. And that was after the frat apologized since they thought the kids had said the school had okay'd it. That is dicking around with a Greek group. Giving some regulations and saying no partying for a bit" is not.
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  BerkolateMountainMomma
  1/16/15 8:59am
  The crazy thing is that with these restrictions, the UVA fraternities still have more alcohol privileges than any sororities (which are nationally dry). These guys want things completely fair? Either allow sororities to have houses and throw open parties (which they can't at many schools), or don't allow either frats or sororities to do so.
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Solomon WalletbergStassa Edwards
1/16/15 12:55am
Oh boo hoo, the poor fraternities are being punished "too harshly" for the results of promoting a culture of rape and traditional gender roles. Maybe if they didn't create breeding grounds for rape this wouldn't be happening.
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  Stig-a-saw-us wrecks loves nuclear power.Solomon Walletberg
  1/16/15 7:45am
  They did nothing wrong. How hard is that it understand? They are rightly bitching about undeserved punishment. The SJW's on this site get all up in arms over the treatment of other "not guilty" parties. Put your money where your mouth is and support these guys too. I doubt that'll happen though. Wrong skin color + greek letters = not worth a Jezzie's time.
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  mike5kSolomon Walletberg
  1/16/15 8:06am
  Sounds like you're into punishing specific individuals not for their own bad behavior, but for the behavior of those in the same category. Sounds a bit like the opposite of what social justice is about.
  
  And I'm saying this as someone who instinctively despises Greek culture on campus.
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Dan SeitzStassa Edwards
1/16/15 12:48am
On the one hand, shut the fuck up you whiny entitled children, you're not following these new rules anyway.

On the other, what stood out about the Rolling Stone article, and what oddly isn't in any sort of dispute yet is totally ignored, is that clearly there's a problem with institutional indifference to sexual assault at UVA (and other schools.) If there weren't, the whole sordid story wouldn't have come together in the first place. Suspending the fraternities and passing some B.S. wristslap rules isn't going to solve that problem.
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QJ201Stassa Edwards
1/16/15 7:49am
Because Virginia

Schools all over the country have outright bans on any alcohol served at student events or have strict rules for serving (e.g, wrist bands and monitors).

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  BirdinHandQJ201
  1/16/15 9:52am
  That's why I'm saying. It's not like the ones old enough to legally drink can't go to a bar. Everytime I complain about the Greek system, people get in my face about all the charity work and good they do in the community. I don't see how keg parties are a necessary part.
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schweddyStassa Edwards
1/16/15 8:28am
Oooo! Oooo pick me! I want to guess which UVA frats have a bunch of kids with daddies who are lawyers.
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wasibannedStassa Edwards
1/16/15 12:08pm
it's spelled "B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T," not "C-O-N-T-R-O-V-E-R-S-I-A-L"
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