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RedWillDanaherHillary Crosley Coker
12/18/14 2:07pm
What about all of the Cubans who fled to the US due to criminal charges (both real and trumped up bullshit?)

I also wonder what any meaningful relationship with Cuba will do to the wet feet/dry feet policy. Will Cubans be turned back or incarcerated like every other 'illegal' border crosser?
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  kshortie16RedWillDanaher
  12/18/14 2:17pm
  I'm curious about this, as well. Are we gonna start treating Cubans like we do Haitians? This whole thing is very interesting.
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  KeevaSRedWillDanaher
  12/18/14 2:21pm
  Not necessarily. The "wet foot/dry foot" thing is an interpretation of the Cuban Adjustment Act of 1966. That is a separate law from the pointless 50 year failed embargo. And it would have to be repealed by the clown car we call Congress.
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kshortie16Hillary Crosley Coker
12/18/14 2:09pm
That's assuming she's still there. She might have left already.
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  Mo-kshortie16
  12/18/14 2:12pm
  If she's smart (and evidence has shown that she's extraordinarily smart and motivated to remain free) she's already gotten on the move to another country without extradition laws.
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  kshortie16Mo-
  12/18/14 2:14pm
  Exactly.
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rmmcgrathHillary Crosley Coker
12/18/14 3:00pm

Friends that negotiate the extradition of Assata Shakur, aka JoAnne Chesimard, a black panther who was framed for killing a cop in America and found asylum in Cuba? Not great.

Black Panther should be capitalized. It's a proper name (referring to the Black Panther Panther Party). Unless you mean she was an actual black panther. Which is kinda cool but not true.
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  Hillary Crosley Cokerrmmcgrath
  12/18/14 5:26pm
  You are absolutely right. Fixed.
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badassociatesHillary Crosley Coker
12/18/14 2:02pm
This sounds like a person who should be behind bars. Framed? Even if one conviction was deficient she has a raft of others that should see her behind bars for a very long time..not hanging out on the beach in the tropics.
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  BravoDoxbadassociates
  12/18/14 2:24pm
  Admittedly, the only source I've checked is Wikipedia, but the murder is the only conviction that Shakur has, from what I can see.
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  badassociatesBravoDox
  12/18/14 2:27pm
  " two murder charges, and six assault charges," plus there is the little matter of breaking out of prison at gunpoint, stealing a van and becoming a fugative.
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KarenDelaneyWalkerHillary Crosley Coker
12/18/14 2:05pm
Isn't she a Cuban citizen now? Would that affect any attempts to return her to the US?

ETA: I meant in the sense that Cuba might be more willing to protect a Cuban citizen from extradition than they would an American citizen.
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  sigmaoctansKarenDelaneyWalker
  12/18/14 2:08pm
  And just because we have diplomatic relations with a country doesn't mean they have to extradite everyone in the country we want them to.
  
  See: Roman Polanski, Edward Snowden
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  therealquash ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗKarenDelaneyWalker
  12/18/14 2:08pm
  I don't think so. If a Cuban national committed murder in the U.S., and returned to Cuba, the U.S. could still seek to extradite him/her. It's really about the countries' relationship, and where the crime was committed, not about citizenship.
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anonlazymillennialHillary Crosley Coker
12/18/14 2:57pm
Well, that settles that. Jezebel says she was framed so she must have been framed.

The knee-jerk anti-law enforcement bullshit spewed by the Gawker family of sites these days is just pathetic.

I really hope you never need to call the police.
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  kshortie16anonlazymillennial
  12/18/14 4:54pm
  Me too. I don't want to be shot when I called to ask for help. It happens.
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  anonlazymillennialkshortie16
  12/18/14 5:07pm
  It happens? Please send me a link to a story about the wave of 911 responders gunning down innocent civilians when they call for assistance.
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therealquash ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗHillary Crosley Coker
12/18/14 2:11pm
This is such a tough issue to deal with. Even if she didn't commit murder, she did commit a crime: escaping from prison. But she was wrongfully convicted, and the chances that an appeal would actually do anything are nearly zero. Was she supposed to really trust this system that treated her so abhorrently in the first place? Was she supposed to just rot in jail for 40 years? But she has to be punished in some way for breaking the law, right? Or does she?

I am glad I don't have to decide this, is what I'm saying.
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  DennisReynoldsGoldenGodtherealquash ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
  12/18/14 2:49pm
  Murder conviction along with a slew of bank robberies she absolutely committed. Then broke out of prison at gunpoint. Also, you don't have to pull the trigger to be convicted in a felony murder. You just have to willing participate in actions that are likely to lead to death to be convicted. So basically if you committed a bank robbery with people who have guns, you can assume the end result could be death. Thus you are a party to the murder.
  
  Felony Murder Rule
  
  The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder in two ways. First, when an offender kills accidentally or without specific intent to kill in the commission of a felony, the offender can be charged with murder. Second, it makes any participant in such a felony criminally liable for any deaths that occur during or in furtherance of that felony.
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  therealquash ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗDennisReynoldsGoldenGod
  12/18/14 2:58pm
  I don't see that she was convicted of any bank robberies; I only see that she was accused and then acquitted.
  
  Reading the facts (and being a lawyer): Felony murder wouldn't apply to the turnpike incident. They weren't in the process of committing a felony when the cop was shot, and felony murder doesn't apply when someone you are with happens to kill someone. It would apply if say, they proved that they were running drugs at the time, or had busted a tailight out with the purpose of getting pulled over a killing a cop. Felony murder doesn't apply when you get pulled over for a misdemeanor and then something unplanned happens.
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GinAndTonic Got Stuck in the BarneyHillary Crosley Coker
12/18/14 1:59pm
That Common song introduced me to her story. I'm glad you posted it.
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  anonlazymillennialGinAndTonic Got Stuck in the Barney
  12/18/14 2:59pm
  Ah yes, Common says she is innocent so she must be.
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  GinAndTonic Got Stuck in the Barneyanonlazymillennial
  12/18/14 3:59pm
  I didn't say that.
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Mary, Mary, Knotty PineHillary Crosley Coker
12/18/14 2:06pm
It doesn't matter, really. She was involved in a felony in which two people died. She's just as guilty as if she pulled the trigger herself.
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  anomalyMary, Mary, Knotty Pine
  12/18/14 2:12pm
  No! We can charge her for the crime she was being arrested for but not for something she wasn't a part of. The evidence we have shows that she had no involvement in the shootout that occurred.
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  Mary, Mary, Knotty Pineanomaly
  12/18/14 2:14pm
  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_mu...
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ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ : Riot GRRR is RUNNING WILDHillary Crosley Coker
12/18/14 2:00pm
Ahem:

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